David Haye another Amir Con? Manufactured "champ?"

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

David Haye in my opinion is another Amir Khan or should I say Con?

Just like Con boy he picks up an alphabet strap by fighting the worst champion in the division in Con boy's case it was Kotelnik, in Haye's case Valuev. Valuev retained his belt via controversial decision against Holyfield and Kotelnik via controversial decision against Maidana. Just like Con boy he is also the holder of the WBA belt. Arguably the worst major organization out there with super champions and interim champions. And he also defended his strap against a weak mandatory, in Con boy's case Salita and Haye's case Ruiz (now all of a sudden people are acting like Ruiz was elite.)

Haye and Con boy also ducked the real champ of the division and the elite contenders. Con boy ducks Maidana, an somewhat elite contender with dangerous power, and Tim Bradley considered by many to be the man of the 140 pounders. Haye ducks an elite contender in Vitali (with the WBC strap) and punked out against the champ/man of the HW division, Wladimir.

Haye just like con boy gets hyped up, so called savior of the HW division and will supposedly beat the Klit Bros easily.

Both Con boy and Haye are what boxing fans like me would like to called manufactured "champs." And please stop calling Haye the HW champ, he's not, that's like calling Con boy 140 pound champ, he's not. Last I checked Wladimir is still the man at HW and Bradley is the man at 140. Having a trinket don't mean shit in today's boxing.

What I just typed out is the truth. Ain't no exaggerating anything.

Man that is a little unfair.

I havn't read the rest of the thread so I do apologise if people have already mentioned this but Haye is better than Con in so many ways.

Firstly, to be manufactured, surely you have to have things your way all the time. Haye has been in to other peoples back yards and taken the Cruiser and now the World heavyweight title. Con boy has done nothing of the sort.

Haye's opposition has been so much better too. Fragomeni, Mormeck, Macarenelli (yeah I know he sucks balls but he was the other guy at cruiser at the time), Valuev and no doubt in my mind he wants the Klitschko's at some point.

He's fought quality opponents for being a British fighter...how many other Brits at 23 fights can say they've had some of those quality names and fights on their CV?

Hardly any - Haye has not been manufactured. Hatton/Calzaghe/Con/Eubank/Benn were manufactured...Haye has taken a riskier and faster route than all of them.

Now he's "a" world heavyweight champion after only a few fights when a lot of people said he wouldn't be able to handle it in there (myself included) yet he has given jelly legs to a guy who has barely been wobbled and stopped a guy who has only been put away once in his career. Not bad.

I was definitely a Haye-ter a few fights ago...I thought he had a big mouth without backing it up but you have to give credit where it's due. I'll give him full respect if the fights with the Klits end up happening..win or lose.

But comparing him to Con?? No way...2 different kettles of fish

Agreed.

This is a silly thread.... Manufactured = protected... General Bulldog do you even know who Carl Thompson is?

Anyways. As much as I agree that Haye is vulnerable to a few good men. For me, it's a case of 'what's new?'

Haye is and has always been a VERY exciting but chinny banger. As 95% of his fights have proven.

So again, I ask. Whats new? Not alot. Just that your a bunch of Haye hating mugs. Fact.

[FTMatty]

I just hope that Haye will prove all these doubters wrong. I'd love to see him unify the titles.

I hear that Golden Boy want him to fight Hopkins next.

[Mark TKO]

not had time to real all this thread but calling Haye another Khan is a fucking insult.


I would pick Haye to beat any other fighter in top ten heavies at moment - just not the Klitschkos - though he has a chance particularly against Wlad.

[Hornfinger]

Hold on silly buggers.

What was the injury khan had halfway through his training camp for maidana? Oh hang on he never called out Maidana to his face and never signed to fight him. And will he call out maidana after malignaggi? Nope

Can we stop the bullshit nonsence please?

[generalbulldog]

Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?

People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?

And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.

[ninjaspy3]

Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?

People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?

And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.

So by your logic then I suppose anyone of the WBA champs (incl former champs) is manufactured:

Ruiz, Valuev, Chagaev

But there is no manufactured thread on these guys? Why not?

[generalbulldog]

Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?

People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?

And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.

So by your logic then I suppose anyone of the WBA champs (incl former champs) is manufactured:

Ruiz, Valuev, Chagaev

But there is no manufactured thread on these guys? Why not?

Those 3 guys you mentioned are just as bad.

But here's the difference between Haye and those 3. No one said they would beat the Klit bros easily and definitely. No one called those 3 guys the next Evander Holyfield. And no one called those 3 guys the next great HW champion that will clean out the division easily. And 1 last thing, they were not called the savior of the HW division.

Big enough difference for you?

[Hornfinger]

Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?

People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?

And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.

He's british get over it.

[JazMerkin]

There should be a ban on posters attempting to do these VD-esque threads like these. He gets the balance right, so at least if you don't agree you at least get something funny out of it. Now whenever I read these kind of threads, I just feel disappointed.

This is like turning up to see a Manny Pacquiao fight & getting to watch Mark Melligen instead.

Anyway, no Haye isn't manufactured. You could accuse almost any of the hyped Brits of recent years (Hatton, Calzaghe, Khan) of being manufactured and taking weak opposition, but you just can't say that about Haye. He's always taken tough challenges and chances, and with confidence I can say he will have fought a Klitschko by the end of the year.

[generalbulldog]

Haye is an manufactured champ at HW. When you beat guys like Barret, Valuev, and 38 year old Ruiz, that's considered to be an awesome HW resume?

People are now acting like Ruiz was an elite guy. Haye big mouth, can't back it up. When you make t shirts with decapitated heads and talk about another man's family and back out of 2 fights against them, what do you expect people to say?

And I thought it was funny that half of this forum blamed the Klit bros for David Haye backing out of the fight twice, you know the so called bad contract or whatever.

He's british get over it.

Him being British has nothing to do with it.

Half of this forum said he was the next Evander Holyfield. He is the savior of the HW division, he beats the Klit Bros easily because Wlad is chinny, and Vitali is 38 and old and doesn't look good in his past fights. Was these not the arguments? And some even think he has just as good a resume or better than the Klit bros. Oh yeah, the Klit bros are afraid of Haye because they supposedly priced themselves out by offering Haye an unfair contract.

The truth is David Haye has not taken on great opposition at HW by fighting Valuev, 38 year old Ruiz, Monte Barret. The guy avoided the Klit bros, not once but twice.