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    Default Re: WikiLeaks in trouble

    I think it is disgusting, but not all that surprising. This is a nation that invades countries illegally and tortures people after all. It's no great surprise that a sizeable proportion of the troops are dumb, immature, brainwashed, gung-ho morons, who imagine themselves inside some kind of 'fun' computer game. I would shoot each one in the head as punishment and let that be that oh, and maybe shoot a few of their kids.

    Kirkland makes the good point about the US media not really tackling the issue. TBH I really don't think America has a properly functioning media at all. And that is sad because everybody should be informed about pertinent issues. It's all out there on the web though if you are willing to look for it, but to rely on mainstream US sources is just a dead end.

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    Are you serious with why would they be carrying an RPG in the open, why would they have AK's slung over the shoulders in the open? Is that disputed?

    I suggest everyone read Adam's post. I've never been to war, I've done extensive reading and community work with soldiers at the Peace and Justice Center with Elizabeth Stinson, she's got over 1000 soldiers out of their military contracts since the Iraq war started because of their psychological damage caused by the war. Kids not to much older then me crying because they have blood on their hands.

    It's the whole system, the wheel turns and they are just the cogs who end up getting grinded down and eventually just discarded without any thought. I really urge people to just try to put yourselves in their shoes. Not a single person here would be the same person after going into combat, not a single one of us. Some of those guys in the chopper would have been disgusted by this 10 years ago, guaranteed. There's only so much the human mind can handle.

    The soldier never gets a single say in things when it comes to war, in the case of this war it was pretty much orchestrated by civilians in the White House, the military had to fight for everything it got and that wasn't close to enough. It's horrible I admit and very sad but shit they have guys on the ground isolated and these guys are walking around with AK's in the open, I'd be begging to shoot too. So would a lot of you guys, don't judge you'll be better off for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Are you serious with why would they be carrying an RPG in the open, why would they have AK's slung over the shoulders in the open? Is that disputed?

    I suggest everyone read Adam's post. I've never been to war, I've done extensive reading and community work with soldiers at the Peace and Justice Center with Elizabeth Stinson, she's got over 1000 soldiers out of their military contracts since the Iraq war started because of their psychological damage caused by the war. Kids not to much older then me crying because they have blood on their hands.

    It's the whole system, the wheel turns and they are just the cogs who end up getting grinded down and eventually just discarded without any thought. I really urge people to just try to put yourselves in their shoes. Not a single person here would be the same person after going into combat, not a single one of us. Some of those guys in the chopper would have been disgusted by this 10 years ago, guaranteed. There's only so much the human mind can handle.

    The soldier never gets a single say in things when it comes to war, in the case of this war it was pretty much orchestrated by civilians in the White House, the military had to fight for everything it got and that wasn't close to enough. It's horrible I admit and very sad but shit they have guys on the ground isolated and these guys are walking around with AK's in the open, I'd be begging to shoot too. So would a lot of you guys, don't judge you'll be better off for it.
    I've never been on a battlefield of war either, but I do know people that have. And in these types of situations they tell me one has to make a split second decision. It's real easy being an armchair critic watching a vid on the internet from the comforts of one's own home and saying this or that should have been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Are you serious with why would they be carrying an RPG in the open, why would they have AK's slung over the shoulders in the open? Is that disputed?

    I suggest everyone read Adam's post. I've never been to war, I've done extensive reading and community work with soldiers at the Peace and Justice Center with Elizabeth Stinson, she's got over 1000 soldiers out of their military contracts since the Iraq war started because of their psychological damage caused by the war. Kids not to much older then me crying because they have blood on their hands.

    It's the whole system, the wheel turns and they are just the cogs who end up getting grinded down and eventually just discarded without any thought. I really urge people to just try to put yourselves in their shoes. Not a single person here would be the same person after going into combat, not a single one of us. Some of those guys in the chopper would have been disgusted by this 10 years ago, guaranteed. There's only so much the human mind can handle.

    The soldier never gets a single say in things when it comes to war, in the case of this war it was pretty much orchestrated by civilians in the White House, the military had to fight for everything it got and that wasn't close to enough. It's horrible I admit and very sad but shit they have guys on the ground isolated and these guys are walking around with AK's in the open, I'd be begging to shoot too. So would a lot of you guys, don't judge you'll be better off for it.
    First of all i'd never put myself in a position where i'd have to be prepared to kill somebody in the name of 'freedom and democracy'. So while i understand the fact that soldiers don't have any say in what they have to do in respect to following orders, i don't really have any sympathy in the sense that, no matter how you dress it up, they have chosen that lifestyle. I take on board that many soldiers join the military without ever believing they will have to go to a conflict zone, but at some point, responsibility has to be taken by the soldiers, as having to kill another human being is at some point going to be a possibility.

    Secondly, this isn't really a war. It's more of an invasion. That sticks in my throat more than anything, and the comment made by one of the gunmen "You shouldn't bring kids to a warzone" really irks me, considering it's only a warzone because you're there firing at insurgents civilians, in a country you have no real business being in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Are you serious with why would they be carrying an RPG in the open, why would they have AK's slung over the shoulders in the open? Is that disputed?

    I suggest everyone read Adam's post. I've never been to war, I've done extensive reading and community work with soldiers at the Peace and Justice Center with Elizabeth Stinson, she's got over 1000 soldiers out of their military contracts since the Iraq war started because of their psychological damage caused by the war. Kids not to much older then me crying because they have blood on their hands.

    It's the whole system, the wheel turns and they are just the cogs who end up getting grinded down and eventually just discarded without any thought. I really urge people to just try to put yourselves in their shoes. Not a single person here would be the same person after going into combat, not a single one of us. Some of those guys in the chopper would have been disgusted by this 10 years ago, guaranteed. There's only so much the human mind can handle.

    The soldier never gets a single say in things when it comes to war, in the case of this war it was pretty much orchestrated by civilians in the White House, the military had to fight for everything it got and that wasn't close to enough. It's horrible I admit and very sad but shit they have guys on the ground isolated and these guys are walking around with AK's in the open, I'd be begging to shoot too. So would a lot of you guys, don't judge you'll be better off for it.
    First of all i'd never put myself in a position where i'd have to be prepared to kill somebody in the name of 'freedom and democracy'. So while i understand the fact that soldiers don't have any say in what they have to do in respect to following orders, i don't really have any sympathy in the sense that, no matter how you dress it up, they have chosen that lifestyle. I take on board that many soldiers join the military without ever believing they will have to go to a conflict zone, but at some point, responsibility has to be taken by the soldiers, as having to kill another human being is at some point going to be a possibility.

    Secondly, this isn't really a war. It's more of an invasion. That sticks in my throat more than anything, and the comment made by one of the gunmen "You shouldn't bring kids to a warzone" really irks me, considering it's only a warzone because you're there firing at insurgents civilians, in a country you have no real business being in.
    Well said.

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    Position of war or not:

    1) the guys in the van were with children and were only collected wounded, no weapons seen in their carrying neither any hint of hostile intentions (except if you suggest that collecting wounded is hostile intentions), especially in a country where civilians try to help each others as much as possible because often, it's the only way to survive (especially when there is like suicide attack with 50 wounded and not enough ambulances to haul them all).

    2) in Iraq, a HUGE portion of civilians have ak-47, it is definitely not something uncommon and it has been that way even since the first gulf war, seeing one guy with a AK shouldn't be enough to justify shelling a group of peoples from the sky solely because of that with some 30 mm machine guns, just call the tanks or troops, they'll circle them, ask them to surrender and then you make an inspection.

    3) Look at the whole way they react and talk, it is not war stress, they urge their commander for the right to open fire, mock the fact that tanks roll over bodies, they almost laugh because kids got caught in the whole thing, unacceptable.
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