Should smokers and binge drinkers be charged for using the NHS?

[JazMerkin]

This is the 2nd time Miles has posted a link from The Daily Fail.

I say we all shun him like the freak he clearly is for this behaviour.

[ryanman]

This is the 2nd time Miles has posted a link from The Daily Fail.

I say we all shun him like the freak he clearly is for this behaviour.

Agreed. When I started on here properly last september I swear he was slightly left of centre. Now he's bloody somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan!

[JazMerkin]

This is the 2nd time Miles has posted a link from The Daily Fail.

I say we all shun him like the freak he clearly is for this behaviour.

Agreed. When I started on here properly last september I swear he was slightly left of centre. Now he's bloody somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan!

Haha, it's only a matter of time before he starts calling for the blood of the jews, gypsies & Amir Khan. Oh wait...

[ryanman]

This is the 2nd time Miles has posted a link from The Daily Fail.

I say we all shun him like the freak he clearly is for this behaviour.

Agreed. When I started on here properly last september I swear he was slightly left of centre. Now he's bloody somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan!

Haha, it's only a matter of time before he starts calling for the blood of the jews, gypsies & Amir Khan. Oh wait...

Oh crap, sshh! he's viewing the thread. *whistles*

[Gandalf]

This is the 2nd time Miles has posted a link from The Daily Fail.

I say we all shun him like the freak he clearly is for this behaviour.

Oh, come on now!

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

[JazMerkin]

Oh, come on now!

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

[ryanman]

[quote=JazMerkin;859769]

Oh, come on now!

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

Miles I was speaking to Hammer earlier and he was saying he was concerned that you have such extreme views. At least he knows where to draw the line!

[Gandalf]

Oh, come on now!

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

Not since my last holiday home a few years ago and lots of memories from my younger years. It could be quite scary. Out here the streets are an apocalypse from 9pm onwards. Hordes of drunk men pissing against walls and attired in shiny suits stained with little bits of sick.

You know, on the whole I have a mixture of views and not all of them are on the left, but I really don't see myself as being particularly right wing. Getting drunk is fun, but getting a stomach pumped is extreme. Surely, I'm not the only one wanting to pay to get my own stomach pumped.

[ono]

Oh, come on now!

When you go to Yahoo they give you the choice of Guardian, Telegraph and the Daily Mail...I can't help but skim through them all. I can assure you all that I am not an avid Mail reader and often find myself at odds with their views when I do read. I thought this one might spark a little debate though and it has.

TBH it isn't an issue I have thought about too much, but on the surface can definitely see the merit in the view that if you drink 10 pints of beer plus shots and then need to go and get your stomach pumped, that you should fork out for the treatment yourself. Smoking I can kind of see a similar thing. Maybe smokers should pay higher NI premiums.

I can see the arguments on both sides and agree that it is a complicated issue, but it is clear that excessive alcohol consumption is a serious social problem in the UK. I wouldn't like to see anything banned myself, but Ono is right. You can walk through any large city in the UK on a saturday night and it is like a zombie filled apocalypse. It can be quite gruesome. I like to get drunk sometimes, but I'm not picking fights with anyone nor getting taken to the emergency room. I just go to bed and the people doing that are just fine and shouldn't need to concern themselves with medical costs and what have you. But those who overdo big time should probably shoulder some of the responsibility because they are just being foolish.

Now now Miles, don't be ashamed of your right-wing tendencies. No one will hold it against you. Lyle will be proud to have you on board.

As for the point in bold, how often do you walk through cities in the UK on a Saturday night? You live in Korea... do you have one of those machines from The Fly or something?

Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia?

[JazMerkin]

Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia?

No, Lewisham

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man

[Gandalf]

Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia?

No, Lewisham

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man

But the country wouldn't have changed that much in the few years I have been away. Excessive drinking has been a problem in the UK for as long as I can remember, and I was part of that for a time. I have seen the havoc myself and a news article simple reinforces my views in that regard, even if it is the Daily Mail. You can go to the BBC and see similar articles about Brits drinking to excess too. The problem exists and I don't see why you are taking issue with my perspective.

[JazMerkin]

Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia?

No, Lewisham

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man

But the country wouldn't have changed that much in the few years I have been away. Excessive drinking has been a problem in the UK for as long as I can remember, and I was part of that for a time. I have seen the havoc myself and a news article simple reinforces my views in that regard, even if it is the Daily Mail. You can go to the BBC and see similar articles about Brits drinking to excess too. The problem exists and I don't see why you are taking issue with my perspective.

I didn't say I disagreed with you on this, there is a binge-drinking problem, however of course a country changes. Also the media will always play things up, do you really think there's paedophile Islamic fundamentalists waiting to stab grannies to death & record it on their mobiles?

I actually think one benefit of the recession is that it has decreased marginally the 'booze Britain' behaviour, as a lot of them can't afford to go out to a city centre & get pissed & violent. They're doing at home on the cheap now

[ono]

Would you say City centres on a Saturday night are pleasant places to be? Do you live in Narnia?

No, Lewisham

Anyway, shut it Billy-No-Mates, your loner views aren't wanted here

Anyway, I just find it interesting that Miles offers up an opinion on a country that he hasn't been in a couple of years. It's not so much this issue, more that his view is garnered off second hand sources, I thought something similar when he was talking about immigration over here.

Anyway, not that it matters, as the right-wing dictator he is he has no need to answer to me, the little man

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Should idiots who came up with this bs be jailed.