Valero found hanged in his cell

[Kev]

Valero Denied The Murder, Relatives Reveal Dark Secrets - Boxing News

Really just a sick sounding dude, beating his mother I mean for fuck's sake who beats their mother? Not to imply that beating your wife is somehow more all right, its just more common. Doug Fischer, the guy at the Ring Magazine Online who was THE Valero hype guy in the media for years, five years or so since he was just building a name sparring in California, talked about how he was told by Valero's trainer how Valero wouldn't let his wife leave the apartment they had in California, just a complete control freak.

And Andre Berto

The Lead Graf Blog Archive Boxer Andre Berto Puts Foot In Mouth, Seems To Blame Edwin Valero’s Wife For Murder/Suicide -

Damn, got to say as someone who regularly wishes he could retract things he said in haste on public forums I do feel a bit for Berto.

That was pretty wildly innapropriate though.

[Taeth]

Wow, fuck some of the people on here.

Sure Valero did some unforgivable shit in murdering his wife, but who are we to condem another human being? Do we know his whole life story, what led him down this path?

It's really easy and cowardly to lay blame as as something looking in from the outside, but who of us hasn't done something we aren't ashamed of? Who cares if its murder or not. Unless you lived a perfect life in the most difficult of circumstances you have NO SAY whatsoever, and fuck you for thinking otherwise.

I am not saying he wasn't absolutely wrong in killing his wife, but people with mental disorders do things that aren't normal, and with being both a boxer and a guy who survived bad accident(with brain injury) who knows what could have happened to his brain. Either way, like I said, we mourne the lose of both of them because it is a tragedy, and regardless of a what a person does in their life we do not deserve to lay judgement on them.

How many on here have cheated on their significant other, how many have stolen, how many have lied?

Just with Chris Benoit suicide

read the bottom of his death
Chris Benoit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

brain damage is linked to people acting this way before.

[Majesty]

Sadly I think boxing will get the blame rather then the people and the promoters around him not getting him the maximum help he needed cause they wanted to keep his career alive.

[rjj tszyu]

Will he be regarded at the biggest puncher in boxing history ?
27 fights 27 ko's?

Great shame he threw it all away.

I think the man in your sig and a few others may have a thing or two to say about that.

He did have a great record though.

[amat]

Sadly I think boxing will get the blame rather then the people and the promoters around him not getting him the maximum help he needed cause they wanted to keep his career alive.

Where does this come from? First off, I really doubt boxing will get the blame. There's no reason for it to. Secondly, how the hell are his promoters automatically evil here and deserve blame for this heinous event?

If he had any problem, it's VERY obvious from statements from those that knew him that that problem was drugs.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Looks like Barry Mcguigan had a point after all

Who gives a fuck about Chris Benoit
Teath, I'm sorry but your chatting absolute faff you liberal pansy.

Mad Dogs need putting down. Fact.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Wow, fuck some of the people on here.

Sure Valero did some unforgivable shit in murdering his wife, but who are we to condem another human being? Do we know his whole life story, what led him down this path?

It's really easy and cowardly to lay blame as as something looking in from the outside, but who of us hasn't done something we aren't ashamed of? Who cares if its murder or not. Unless you lived a perfect life in the most difficult of circumstances you have NO SAY whatsoever, and fuck you for thinking otherwise.

I am not saying he wasn't absolutely wrong in killing his wife, but people with mental disorders do things that aren't normal, and with being both a boxer and a guy who survived bad accident(with brain injury) who knows what could have happened to his brain. Either way, like I said, we mourne the lose of both of them because it is a tragedy, and regardless of a what a person does in their life we do not deserve to lay judgement on them.

How many on here have cheated on their significant other, how many have stolen, how many have lied?

Just with Chris Benoit suicide

read the bottom of his death
Chris Benoit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

brain damage is linked to people acting this way before.

maybe someone stole his bike?

That can piss you off for life

[smashup]

Wow, fuck some of the people on here.

Sure Valero did some unforgivable shit in murdering his wife, but who are we to condem another human being? Do we know his whole life story, what led him down this path?

It's really easy and cowardly to lay blame as as something looking in from the outside, but who of us hasn't done something we aren't ashamed of? Who cares if its murder or not. Unless you lived a perfect life in the most difficult of circumstances you have NO SAY whatsoever, and fuck you for thinking otherwise.

I am not saying he wasn't absolutely wrong in killing his wife, but people with mental disorders do things that aren't normal, and with being both a boxer and a guy who survived bad accident(with brain injury) who knows what could have happened to his brain. Either way, like I said, we mourne the lose of both of them because it is a tragedy, and regardless of a what a person does in their life we do not deserve to lay judgement on them.

How many on here have cheated on their significant other, how many have stolen, how many have lied?

Just with Chris Benoit suicide

read the bottom of his death
Chris Benoit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

brain damage is linked to people acting this way before.

maybe someone stole his bike?

That can piss you off for life

hahahahaha

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Wow, fuck some of the people on here.

Sure Valero did some unforgivable shit in murdering his wife, but who are we to condem another human being? Do we know his whole life story, what led him down this path?

It's really easy and cowardly to lay blame as as something looking in from the outside, but who of us hasn't done something we aren't ashamed of? Who cares if its murder or not. Unless you lived a perfect life in the most difficult of circumstances you have NO SAY whatsoever, and fuck you for thinking otherwise.

I am not saying he wasn't absolutely wrong in killing his wife, but people with mental disorders do things that aren't normal, and with being both a boxer and a guy who survived bad accident(with brain injury) who knows what could have happened to his brain. Either way, like I said, we mourne the lose of both of them because it is a tragedy, and regardless of a what a person does in their life we do not deserve to lay judgement on them.

How many on here have cheated on their significant other, how many have stolen, how many have lied?

Just with Chris Benoit suicide

read the bottom of his death
Chris Benoit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

brain damage is linked to people acting this way before.

Fuck you and your moral high ground, Taeth. It's probably easier to see everything on that horse, though.

I lay judgement on whoever I want... Like I've thought you were a dick for years... I'm sure it's mutual, though.

[Taeth]

Looks like Barry Mcguigan had a point after all

Who gives a fuck about Chris Benoit
Teath, I'm sorry but your chatting absolute faff you liberal pansy.

Mad Dogs need putting down. Fact.

And you are a hypocrite asshole who thinks his shit doesn't stink.

[OumaFan]

LOL at the idea that if you've lied, stolen, or even cheated on your girlfriend you can't make some sort of judgment on somebody that beat his mom, beat his wife, allegedly forced her to take drugs, and then murdered her. My God.

The whole thing's just sad. Maybe his head injuries played a part. Maybe he was a monster for completely different reasons. I don't know.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

LOL at the idea that if you've lied, stolen, or even cheated on your girlfriend you can't make some sort of judgment on somebody that beat his mom, beat his wife, allegedly forced her to take drugs, and then murdered her. My God.

The whole thing's just sad. Maybe his head injuries played a part. Maybe he was a monster for completely different reasons. I don't know.

Nope, you're a dirt neck for having an oppinion. This is the world Taeth lives in.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Looks like Barry Mcguigan had a point after all

Who gives a fuck about Chris Benoit
Teath, I'm sorry but your chatting absolute faff you liberal pansy.

Mad Dogs need putting down. Fact.

And you are a hypocrite asshole who thinks his shit doesn't stink.

Actually that's wrong.

I'm the 1st to admit/backtrack if I am wrong. I am actually a very conscientious individual.

Plus I eat a lot of Garlic

[Taeth]

LOL at the idea that if you've lied, stolen, or even cheated on your girlfriend you can't make some sort of judgment on somebody that beat his mom, beat his wife, allegedly forced her to take drugs, and then murdered her. My God.

The whole thing's just sad. Maybe his head injuries played a part. Maybe he was a monster for completely different reasons. I don't know.

Nope, you're a dirt neck for having an oppinion. This is the world Taeth lives in.

WOw, way to be a moron. THere is a difference between having an opinion and being and ignorant insensitive prick which you are being. Especially apparently completely beyond your realm of comprehension?

You say I am on the high horse, yet you are the one thinking that your good enough to judge Valero?

I am not trying to say lying, stealing, adultery= abuse+murder, but if he was mentally ill or addicted to drugs then he probably didn't even really know what he was doing. I'm not saying that he wasn't at fault, but there are a lot of things that lead to a tragic end like this and its easy for you to judge somebody based on the last few things they do out of desperation as opposed to looking at the whole picture which many of you are doing.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

LOL at the idea that if you've lied, stolen, or even cheated on your girlfriend you can't make some sort of judgment on somebody that beat his mom, beat his wife, allegedly forced her to take drugs, and then murdered her. My God.

The whole thing's just sad. Maybe his head injuries played a part. Maybe he was a monster for completely different reasons. I don't know.

Nope, you're a dirt neck for having an oppinion. This is the world Taeth lives in.

WOw, way to be a moron. THere is a difference between having an opinion and being and ignorant insensitive prick which you are being. Especially apparently completely beyond your realm of comprehension?

You say I am on the high horse, yet you are the one thinking that your good enough to judge Valero?

I am not trying to say lying, stealing, adultery= abuse+murder, but if he was mentally ill or addicted to drugs then he probably didn't even really know what he was doing. I'm not saying that he wasn't at fault, but there are a lot of things that lead to a tragic end like this and its easy for you to judge somebody based on the last few things they do out of desperation as opposed to looking at the whole picture which many of you are doing.

Fact