After last nights fight does anyone doubt Bute and Ward are the best SMWTS in the wor

[Kev]

Uhh no he didn't Knock him the fuck out, otherwise he would of had the W next to his name.

The only round he was ever in the fight was the 12th round, where Lucian Bute made a mistake by trading. But he got up and won get over it, there was no long count thats a myth. Lucian Bute got up in 8 seconds, the ref telling Librado Andrade off, has fuck all to do with Lucian Bute winning.

Because the time in the round was already over, how many fucking times do i have to keep telling you this ? im sick of you spouting off so called facts when your talking out your ass.

And he crushed Librado Andrade in the rematch, in 4 rounds a fighter who at that time was considered to have one of the best chins in boxing today.

But why am i telling you this anyway ? its not like you've seen the fight anyway or have any clue about Lucian Bute. You've got your nose so far up Carl Froch's ass. You haven't got time to learn about the sport, or actually watch fights and base your own opinion.

And do you want to get humilated again ? with a bet regarding Carl Froch vs Lucian Bute ?

All Carl Froch has is toughness and good power thats it, his defense is shit. His footwork is poor, and his punch technique has a lot to be desired.

Yet you had the cheek to tell us he's the best Super Middleweight of this generation ? get the fuck outta here.

Ok Ice, say we agree with you that technically he got up and was saved by the bell do you think however he was in a fit state to continue had the fight gone on?

How far away from defeat was he? 30 seconds, 20, 10, maybe 3?

If there was ANY time in that round left Bute would have stopped, so ok he was saved by the bell but he was completely out on his feet and could not have stood against Andrade for a moment longer.

Hardly a glorious victory.

So what ? how many times has a fighter been totally gone in the last round ?

How much longer could SRL have lasted vs Marvin Hagler ? how much longer could Larry Holmes have lasted vs Ken Norton ? how much longer could Thomas Hearns have lasted vs SRL in there 2nd fight ?

Your talking hypothetically and it means nothing in the end, because Lucian Bute showed great heart in getting up and surviving. And going by the IBF rules no rules were broken and he won legitmately.

You could also say Carl Froch was lucky to stop Jermain Taylor, after getting dominated for most of the fight, with only seconds left. But he won in the end so what does it matter ?

And Lucian Bute erased in doubt in a rematch, by sitting down on his punches more. And he destroyed Librado Andrade so IMO its over and done with.

You seem to hate Lucian Bute for some reason, which is fair enough and thats your choice. But he has beaten some solid tough opponents, not the best but there solid fighters, and he has a solid resume at the moment. While also being a world champion since 2007.

And it can only get better, atleast Lucian Bute hasn't been beaten handily in his last two fights.

Infact Carl Froch has lost atleast 28 rounds, in his last 4 bouts. Where as Lucian Bute has been destroying his opposition, Carl Froch is an overachiever. And Lucian Bute will prove you wrong and anyother doubters.

And by the way you agreed before about Lucian Bute winning legitmately. Yet now you constantly bring it up to discredit Lucian Bute, i don't get that at all.

If you don't like him thats fair enough, but don't change your mind on something. Just because you dislike Lucian Bute.

I agree Bute won legitimately, but that doesn't change the fact that he was more done than Meldrick Taylor in his first fight with Chavez.

He was out on his feet, with nothing left whatsoever, say what you want about Carl but he's been in with 4 guys all better than Andrade in successive fights and has never been found wanting like that.

Bute wouldn't have lasted 12 rounds against Froch the way Kessler did, he would have keeled over and collapsed in the championship rounds.

I'm sure if they fight Bute will start well, win the early rounds whatever, but he won't last.

[Fenster]

[QUOTE=Rantcatrat;868330]

how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

FACT

At the end of the day, Kessler's biggest win was Froch this last weekend. Froch entered the tournament with the best resume. Other than Froch, none of Kessler's opponents are better than Bute's.

[HattonTheHammer]

[quote=Fenster;868399]

how many times have i got to say this until it`ll get into your thick skulls

Librado Andrade knocked lucien bute the f*ck out. What the hell do you think the super6 would do to him if someone who isnt even fit to spar with the likes of carl froch, mikkel kessler is sending him to lala land.

Bute is a world class fighter for as long as he stays in canada fighting B rate opponents at the bell centre while the super6 goes on. The moment the super6 ends and bute works up the balls to fight in the states is the moment lucien bute doesnt even make the top 8 super middleweights in the world

FACT

At the end of the day, Kessler's biggest win was Froch this last weekend. Froch entered the tournament with the best resume. Other than Froch, none of Kessler's opponents are better than Bute's.

calzaghe and ward are

[OumaFan]

Fenster has posted exactly what I was going to post. Other than that, yeah HattontheQueen what are you talking about? Froch and Kessler 1 and 2 in the world

Everyone knows Dirrell's the number 1 rated SM in the world due to 2 quality wins in a row. At least until Ward beats him. Green is like the 18th best SM in the world.

[HattonTheHammer]

Fenster has posted exactly what I was going to post. Other than that, yeah HattontheQueen what are you talking about? Froch and Kessler 1 and 2 in the world

Everyone knows Dirrell's the number 1 rated SM in the world due to 2 quality wins in a row. At least until Ward beats him. Green is like the 18th best SM in the world.

Dirrell has lost on his last 2 outings therefore i have no idea what you are on about

For all the wrong reasons kessler retakes the number 1 SM spot from froch with bute 3rd and ward 4th

[iwng100]

Fenster has posted exactly what I was going to post. Other than that, yeah HattontheQueen what are you talking about? Froch and Kessler 1 and 2 in the world

Everyone knows Dirrell's the number 1 rated SM in the world due to 2 quality wins in a row. At least until Ward beats him. Green is like the 18th best SM in the world.

Dirrell has lost on his last 2 outings therefore i have no idea what you are on about

For all the wrong reasons kessler retakes the number 1 SM spot from froch with bute 3rd and ward 4th

I’m sorry HTH, I don’t want to insult you, but your ratings are even worse than Boxrec’s.

[Rantcatrat]

[quote=HattonTheHomo;868698]

At the end of the day, Kessler's biggest win was Froch this last weekend. Froch entered the tournament with the best resume. Other than Froch, none of Kessler's opponents are better than Bute's.

calzaghe and ward are

Edit: None of Kessler's wins are better than Bute's other than Froch.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

[quote=Rantcatrat;868743]

calzaghe and ward are

Edit: None of Kessler's wins are better than Bute's other than Froch.

Agreed

[OumaFan]

Beating Mundine in Australia> Any of Bute's wins.

[Rantcatrat]

Beating Mundine in Australia> Any of Bute's wins.

Hahhahah.

[DaxxKahn]

Ok Ice, say we agree with you that technically he got up and was saved by the bell do you think however he was in a fit state to continue had the fight gone on?

How far away from defeat was he? 30 seconds, 20, 10, maybe 3?

If there was ANY time in that round left Bute would have stopped, so ok he was saved by the bell but he was completely out on his feet and could not have stood against Andrade for a moment longer.

Hardly a glorious victory.

So what ? how many times has a fighter been totally gone in the last round ?

How much longer could SRL have lasted vs Marvin Hagler ? how much longer could Larry Holmes have lasted vs Ken Norton ? how much longer could Thomas Hearns have lasted vs SRL in there 2nd fight ?

Your talking hypothetically and it means nothing in the end, because Lucian Bute showed great heart in getting up and surviving. And going by the IBF rules no rules were broken and he won legitmately.

You could also say Carl Froch was lucky to stop Jermain Taylor, after getting dominated for most of the fight, with only seconds left. But he won in the end so what does it matter ?

And Lucian Bute erased in doubt in a rematch, by sitting down on his punches more. And he destroyed Librado Andrade so IMO its over and done with.

You seem to hate Lucian Bute for some reason, which is fair enough and thats your choice. But he has beaten some solid tough opponents, not the best but there solid fighters, and he has a solid resume at the moment. While also being a world champion since 2007.

And it can only get better, atleast Lucian Bute hasn't been beaten handily in his last two fights.

Infact Carl Froch has lost atleast 28 rounds, in his last 4 bouts. Where as Lucian Bute has been destroying his opposition, Carl Froch is an overachiever. And Lucian Bute will prove you wrong and anyother doubters.

And by the way you agreed before about Lucian Bute winning legitmately. Yet now you constantly bring it up to discredit Lucian Bute, i don't get that at all.

If you don't like him thats fair enough, but don't change your mind on something. Just because you dislike Lucian Bute.

I agree Bute won legitimately, but that doesn't change the fact that he was more done than Meldrick Taylor in his first fight with Chavez.

He was out on his feet, with nothing left whatsoever, say what you want about Carl but he's been in with 4 guys all better than Andrade in successive fights and has never been found wanting like that.

Bute wouldn't have lasted 12 rounds against Froch the way Kessler did, he would have keeled over and collapsed in the championship rounds.

I'm sure if they fight Bute will start well, win the early rounds whatever, but he won't last.

I think people are being too judgemental on him because of the 1st Andrade fight...Countless top fighters have had a moment of just about defeated by a contender...Shit Ali one of the top 5 P4P fighters of all time was Floored by Cooper...Didn't Wepner put Ali down during Ali's iron jaw stage?..

Andrade is a talented B fighter who comes up just short of being top tier due to speed....He certainly has the ability to beat any of the other fighters including Bute on any given night you can not have a lax fight with him....Until he was KO'd by Bute I would have dared any fighter to stand toe to toe and brawl with him...He is like chopping wood and the tree is HUGE.....

We will have top wait for the S6 to finish before we get out answers I guess...I still want the Sig bet