Is It Just Me Or Has Floyd Mayweather Jr Not Been As.....

[Lefty]

Impressive ? people keep saying how great Floyd Mayweather Jr has looked recently. But i just don't see it personally, im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan. But he just doesn't seem as impressive to me, as he once was at Super Featherweight/Lightweight.

He beat JMM over 12 rounds, but i don't think that was an overly impressive performance. He basically just used his advantages like his reach and size ETC.

JMM struggled at Lightweight so obviously he wasn't going to look, impressive at Welterweight. So im not really sold on that fight at all, it was a mismatch and all Floyd Mayweather Jr did was pot-shot here and there.

Against Ricky Hatton he won a majority of the rounds, but again i still don't think he looked overly impressive. He had a few problems early, and as i said even though he won a majority of the rounds.

Up until the KO it mostly a messy fight with alot of holding. Plus remember Ricky Hatton isn't as effective at Welterweight.

Especially when you compare what Manny Pacquiao done to Ricky Hatton, at his own weightclass Jr Welterweight.

The ODLH fight was at Jr Middleweight so i can't fault him for that, but even against Carlos Baldomir. I wasn't blown away with his performance either.

I think his last great performance was against Arturo Gatti, and his last threat was against ODLH or maybe Jose Luis Castillo.

Maybe im being too harsh here, but its just something's i've noticed.

I mean we could easily say the same about Shane Mosley, regarding some of his performance. But he still pulled them out in exciting fashion, like against Ricardo Mayorga.

I still think he has the speed and power, to trouble Floyd Mayweather Jr. And i honestly don't think Floyd Mayweather Jr has fought a legit threat at Welterweight yet either.

I normally value your posts, cause they're usually quality, but i think this post is due to the fact that there is NOTHING else to talk about.

Mayweather looked ridiculously sharp against marquez.. you said he used his advantages of size, etc.. but it's not like he was just absolutely the bigger puncher and battered marquez.. not even close.. he was the same mayweather.. Against Hatton, with Hatton's style, he did have a bit of adapting to do at the beginning and it wasn't pretty, but by round 6ish, Floyd was winking to his corner when Hatton was holding him, it wasn't even close..

as far as Oscar, it wasn't like Roy Jones went toe to toe for 12 rounds with John Ruiz at heavyweight.. you can't expect someone who started near 130 to fight at 154, coming into the fight around 149-150, and not use his 'advantages' in speed and evading.. I think that the Oscar fight was scored closer than it actually was, but Floyd was clearly fighting the bigger man and didn't do a LOT in the fight, but plenty enough to impress me and the judges.

JMM was far too small at Welterweight, it was a complete mismatch in every single way. I don't really call that a proper fight, as i said just look at all the advantages Floyd Mayweather Jr had.

I think every single top Welterweight would of beaten JMM at Welterweight, its not hard too look sharp against a slow/plodding out of shape Featherweight.

I never said he should of stood toe to toe with ODLH, as i said i give Floyd Mayweather Jr credit for the win and it was a risk. And ODLH did have the weight advantage, but he was a part time fighter only having 3 fights in 3 years.

As for Ricky Hatton well put it this way, compare that performance to a similar fighter in Jesus Chavez. And then tell me what was more impressive, Floyd Mayweather Jr was excellent against Jesus Chavez. Being masterfully defensive and very offensive at the sametime.

Against Ricky Hatton it was a dirty/clinching one punch at a time fight, from both men. And to me it wasn't an overly impressive performance until the KO.

As i said im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but IMO i just don't think he's looked that great at Welterweight. Which obviously he wouldn't since he's moved up.

But this is the first fighter in ages. Which i think is a legit threat to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You think Mayweather beats Pacquiao at Welterweight and why ? If you dont mind me asking Ice

[Spicoli]

Aside from bouncing Corrales like a ball and starching an undefeated but hook prone Hatton hes not and never has been explosive,jaw dropping.And hes completely fine with that and what the fans think is irrelevant.I think he'll go down as having never been maximized and the if's,would haves and could haves will always come up.Partly because he simply is that talented but I think equally hes just too content to collect trinkets and coast at times.Now you cannot fault a guy for being untouchable but you can fault him for not putting himself in the heat of the frey rather than talking about how great he is at every turn.Hes a phenominal talent but I think he needs Manny rather than the other way around in regards to definitive legacy.

[Kel]

I agree ICE, looking at the state of his opposition.

Gatti
Baldomir
ODLH
Hatton
Marquez
Mitchell
Judah

Each and everyone of these 'names' were way past their prime. Just names that he needed to feed off to gain popularity.

When the Welter division was hot Floyd retired, came back to fight a 135lb fighter due to his P4P status as no.2, even fucked him on the scales like a bastard.

Shane, just like all the names above is a fight or two at the end of his career. Fact. None of them 'names' are close to their primes, no argument, don't reply saying Baldomir was champ, I don't care, he was shit. End of.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I agree ICE, looking at the state of his opposition.

Gatti
Baldomir
ODLH
Hatton
Marquez
Mitchell
Judah

Each and everyone of these 'names' were way past their prime. Just names that he needed to feed off to gain popularity.

When the Welter division was hot Floyd retired, came back to fight a 135lb fighter due to his P4P status as no.2, even fucked him on the scales like a bastard.

Shane, just like all the names above is a fight or two at the end of his career. Fact. None of them 'names' are close to their primes, no argument, don't reply saying Baldomir was champ, I don't care, he was shit. End of.

How dare you speak of the great Baldoblaster that way..He beat judah, who beat spinks, who beat mayorga, who beat forrest, who beat undefeated SSM, who beat arguably undefeated Oscar, who beat pernell whitaker, who schooled the great JCC, who beat Meldrick taylor,

I mean isn't Carols's record impeccable? Look at all those p4p names on that list...

[bestjabwins]

yeah, i think he looks less impressive at the weight he is now. In the marquez fight he looked a bit heavier and slower. Probably largely to do with the lay off, but also he's naturally filling out as he gets older.

At any rate, i don't think extra bulk adds any advantages to his style of fighting, it might even slow his reactions down a little and effect his stamina. It could add more punching power but he reputedly has brittle hands so it doesn't give him any advantage he can use there either.

[El Kabong]

The last DANGEROUS fights Floyd had were Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, and Jose Luis Castillo....De la Hoya was KIND of dangerous but hell he didn't have his trainer for that fight either so you have to expect he was kind of off for that fight just a little bit.

Shane Mosley is dangerous, but he's also a tad older, a tad slower, but he's still got a solid chin good work ethic and enough power to spark out Antonio Margarito so he's got the power to stop Floyd.


I just wish we got to see Mayweather-Cotto, that would have been a VERY dangerous (and big money) fight before Miguel fought Margarito.

[Althugz]

I agree ICE, looking at the state of his opposition.

Gatti
Baldomir
ODLH
Hatton
Marquez
Mitchell
Judah

Each and everyone of these 'names' were way past their prime. Just names that he needed to feed off to gain popularity.

When the Welter division was hot Floyd retired, came back to fight a 135lb fighter due to his P4P status as no.2, even fucked him on the scales like a bastard.

Shane, just like all the names above is a fight or two at the end of his career. Fact. None of them 'names' are close to their primes, no argument, don't reply saying Baldomir was champ, I don't care, he was shit. End of.

7 names out of a 40 fight career. Plus Hatton, Baldomir and I would even say DLH wasn't far removed from his prime. About as out of prime as Mayweather was and all advantages were in his favour.

Lol I love how Mayweather is "ageless" in these "past prime" arguments - You think Floyd was in his prime against ODLH? Hell no. You think Floyd is in his prime tonight? Absolutely not.

Now, if I remember correctly, you're a Calzaghe fan right?

As you're in a list-creating mood, can you please get started on the list of 44 nobodies and past prime fighters JC fought out of his 46 fights?

Take your time, thanks