Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATGs

[Snakey]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Who has Mayweather ducked?

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.

[Kev]

Who has Mayweather ducked?

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.

I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.

The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.

There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.

Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated, Hatton humiliated, Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.

[Dark Lord Al]

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.

I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.

The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.

There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.

Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated, Hatton humiliated, Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.

Im not sure Hatton was a "great" fighter.

[Beanflicker]

Im not sure Hatton was a "great" fighter.

He was before Floyd got through with him. I remember him routinely showing up in lists of the greatest 140lbers of all time, showing up and sometimes topping names like Aaron Pryor, JCC, Tyszu, ect.

[ICB]

Im not sure Hatton was a "great" fighter.

He was before Floyd got through with him. I remember him routinely showing up in lists of the greatest 140lbers of all time, showing up and sometimes topping names like Aaron Pryor, JCC, Tyszu, ect.

Oh come on bro you know im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but Ricky Hatton was never a great fighter nowhere close to it. He was a good or very good fighter, but there's a big gap between very good and great.

[Beanflicker]

Oh come on bro you know im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but Ricky Hatton was never a great fighter nowhere close to it. He was a good or very good fighter, but there's a big gap between very good and great.

Oh I agree, very good but not great. I'm just relaying the consensus at the time.

Just pointing out that people will always diminish his wins. before the Hatton fight, it was "Oh finally Floyd is fighting another great, he has the style like Castillo, all you need to do is steady pressure Floyd and get him out of his comfort zone, ect ect."

Now its "well Ricky was never that good to begin with".

[Beanflicker]

Putting all the "who's era was tougher" or "who fought the better opposition" stuff aside, would any of you guys honestly pick a lot of these mentioned names against Floyd?

I think the only guy mentioned who can hang with him in the ring is a WW SRR.

Sure, SRL fought the better opposition. But putting Floyd up against guys like Duran, Benitez, and Sugar himself, do you honestly think these guys beat him? To be honest, I don't.

[ICB]

Putting all the "who's era was tougher" or "who fought the better opposition" stuff aside, would any of you guys honestly pick a lot of these mentioned names against Floyd?

I think the only guy mentioned who can hang with him in the ring is a WW SRR.

Sure, SRL fought the better opposition. But putting Floyd up against guys like Duran, Benitez, and Sugar himself, do you honestly think these guys beat him? To be honest, I don't.

Wilfredo Benitez in his prime before he got into the partying life style, would of gave Floyd Mayweather Jr fits. Roberto Duran would of beat him at Lightweight, and i'd pick SRL and Tommy Hearns over him at Welterweight.

[TitoFan]

I don't have a problem with Floyd being designated an ATG. But people get carried away with the comparisons. I invite people on here to obtain and watch SRL's fights against Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Benitez. Only THEN can you pass judgement objectively. Those were glory days in boxing, and all of the above were ATGs as well. Floyd deserves the credit he's getting... but do some research before you annoint him The Greatest Ever in Boxing.

[Beanflicker]

Wilfredo Benitez in his prime before he got into the partying life style, would of gave Floyd Mayweather Jr fits. Roberto Duran would of beat him at Lightweight, and i'd pick SRL and Tommy Hearns over him at Welterweight.

This is a rare time where I'm gonna have to disagree with ya, bro. I see SRL being outboxed by Floyd (hell, Tommy foxed him for most of the first fight and virtually all the second one). Tommy is a big threat to Floyd or anyone for that matter due to his power, speed and reach, but he's way too chinny for me to pick him against Floyd.

To be honest I see Floyd stopping Hearns in the later rounds, battering him with that lazer counter right.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.

I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.

The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.

There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.

Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated, Hatton humiliated, Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.

Was not the case...and history will read it as mosley was 38 and got old..couldn't even do what made him shane mosley his whole career..

[BIG H]

I don't think it matters who he fights at this stage, nobody is ever going to outbox him. The only chance he has of losing imo is if he fights somebody much naturally bigger and gets stopped.

I can't name 10 fighters in history that have the talent this guy has, he is definitely top 10 of all time imo. He belongs in the same breathe (and above a lot) of these guys

Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pepp, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Benny Leonard, Jimmy Wilde, Roy Jones Jnr and Harry Greb.

[Majesty]

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.

I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.

The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.

There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.

Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated, Hatton humiliated, Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.

Was not the case...and history will read it as mosley was 38 and got old..couldn't even do what made him shane mosley his whole career..

Because Floyd didn't allow him to. If Floyd had ran and danced away and allowed Mosley to regain himself like Mosley thought he would and fought Mosley's pace like Margarito did it would have ended the same way. Mayweather pressuring Mosley after he was stunned and into the 3rd round onwards is the reason Mosley got old.

If Mosley got old Mayweather put him in the rocking chair.

You can't say "mosley got old" in an attempt to take credit from Floyd. he sure as heck didn't look old in the second round, but Mayweather pressures him back and takes the fight away from him and its "Mosley got old" yeah like father time decided that he was gonna keep Mosley young for 2 rounds only and Mayweather had nothing to do with it. If Mosley got old, Mayweather put him there.

There was a reason he could do what made him Shane Mosley for years against Margarito yet couldn't against Mayweather.

Because Margarito fought his pace and it allowed him to, while Floyd took it away from him, simple as that. Mosley couldn't do what made him Shane Mosley because Mayweather didn't allow him to.

[Hunter]

Who has Mayweather ducked?

Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.

Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.

I am not saying anyone would have beaten Floyd but if Floyd wanted respect and to be considered an ATG or the best ever he should have fought the best fighter at each division when he moved up. Hatton was the king at 140, Mayweather moved up past 140 but didnt fight Hatton, when Floyd was at 147 he fought Judah who had just lost instead of Margarito or Cottto. This is why he gets flamed in the press and people dont hail him as great. Yeah at this point I agree he would have probably dominated all of these guys because they were later exposed but imagine if Floyd would have KO'd Hatton at 140 as he moved up to Welter than beat Cotto while he was undefeated and than Beat down Margarito when he was supposedly unbeatable? Floyd would be getting alot more respect now.

[clintuk]

There's a fair point to be made on both sides really, Floyd does make a lot of todays fighters look amateurish, but sure he has ducked some fighters who, although may have been exposed now, were deemed to be the best at their weight at the time.

There's no real definite way to compare him though with SRL, SRR and co. cos he never fought them of course. Sure they fought better fighters in a better era but, styles make fights, just cos you beat one fighter doesnt mean you beat the fighter deemed less of a fighter than him. So maybe Floyd beats them all, maybe he gets found out by all the ATG's, who knows. If that makes sense at all haha.

Theres a post above me that makes a very valid point, if Floyd had fought Cotto, Margarito and co. when they were at the top of their game...I think now we would have expected him to beat them, and now, he would definitely have more of a shot at being considered an all time great.

Imagine the PPV buys for Floyd v SRL, jesus!