Saddo's Pound For Pound Voting (Summer 2010) voting open till May 31st

[Kev]

Here's how I have it.


1. Floyd Mayweather
1. Manny Pacquaio
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Paul Williams
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Shane Mosley
9. Celistino Cabellero
10. David Haye


Ok it's a controversial list I think but I can't really see it any other way.

First off I have the number 1 spot as contested by Floyd and Manny. There can simply be no p4p number 1 until these two guys fight hence I have them both at joint number 1, the fairest solution I think.


Then there is a HUGE drop to 3. I've gone for Hopkins because although he is old and looked poor last time out, he is at least still winning his fights and he's a proven first ballot Hall of Famer, never stopped in his career. If I drop him lower I have to put J M Marquez at 3 and I can't do that after losing a shut out to Floyd Mayweather last time out. You can argue B Hop has slipped yes, but in my opinion NOBODY pitches a shut out against him.

J M Marquez drops less than Shane for me because he was well out of his weight class and Floyd violated the contractual weight agreements.

I've got Williams above Martinez courtesy of his razor thin win. Yes it was contested, and yes some might think it went the other way, but although opinions can be subjective, official results cannot be. Williams got the win, it was in no way a robbery, just a very close fight, and hence he's at 5.

Martinez absolutely deserves to be at 6 imo though following his fantastic win over Kelly Pavlik.

Chad Dawson must be next. Wins over Adamek and two wins a apiece over Tarver and Johnson, he's beaten everyone who will actually fight him. Hopefully he can get Pascal next.

Now I've got Mosley at 8, he has to drop because he was so dominated in his preferred weight class, Floyd made it look like a mismatch imo.

Then Cabellero, in excellent form lately,thoroughly deserving a spot in the top 10.

The last spot is contentious. I don't think you can make a cast iron case for anyone, there are literally 5 or 6 guys for whom you could make a case.

I've gone for David Haye because I don't think the fact he's a heavyweight should count against him. It's a fact that ANY other fighter, had they become the undisputed champ in one weight class and moved up and won a world title at a higher weight, they WOULD be in the p4p.

I may hate him, but I'm not biased in my hate and give credit where it's due.

Finally you will notice there is no Nonito Donaire. I have Timothy Bradley, Andre Ward, Lucian Bute, Fernando Montiel, Miguel Cotto, Tomasz Adamek and Chris John all above him.

So Donaire is where is deserves to be, just in the top 20

[ElTerribleMorales]

i don't see how the hell Haye could be top 10 p4p without both Klitschko's being ahead of him, both have better resumes

[Kev]

i don't see how the hell Haye could be top 10 p4p without both Klitschko's being ahead of him, both have better resumes

Because I'm viewing his cruiserweight acomplishents as well. Name me a single other fighter who has been an undisputed world champ unifying the belts in one division, and then moved up and won a world title in the next weight class up, and who WASN'T in the p4p as a result?

What you're basically arguing is that J M Marquez shouldn't be in the p4p because his last fight was at welter and he clearly got dominated. If you think he deserves to be there you must do so on the basis of his acomplishments outside of welterweight, and hence your contradicting yourself.

If it's a p4p ranking, then Hayes acomplishments in the lower weight classes must count too.,

[ElTerribleMorales]

i don't see how the hell Haye could be top 10 p4p without both Klitschko's being ahead of him, both have better resumes

Because I'm viewing his cruiserweight acomplishents as well. Name me a single other fighter who has been an undisputed world champ unifying the belts in one division, and then moved up and won a world title in the next weight class up, and who WASN'T in the p4p as a result?

What you're basically arguing is that J M Marquez shouldn't be in the p4p because his last fight was at welter and he clearly got dominated. If you think he deserves to be there you must do so on the basis of his acomplishments outside of welterweight, and hence your contradicting yourself.

If it's a p4p ranking, then Hayes acomplishments in the lower weight classes must count too.,

Corey Spinks

[Boxer4life]

i would have mayweather as number one, i think he deserves his crown back, he fought a guy everyone wanted to see him fight ...u guys remember right...."why doesnt floyd fight a real welterweight" ...well he did, and he kicked his ass

[OumaFan]

I used to talk about Caballero when I thought he was underrated but he's not a P4P guy IMO.

Montiel should be there over him if you're gonna have a token tiny person.

[Kev]

i don't see how the hell Haye could be top 10 p4p without both Klitschko's being ahead of him, both have better resumes

Because I'm viewing his cruiserweight acomplishents as well. Name me a single other fighter who has been an undisputed world champ unifying the belts in one division, and then moved up and won a world title in the next weight class up, and who WASN'T in the p4p as a result?

What you're basically arguing is that J M Marquez shouldn't be in the p4p because his last fight was at welter and he clearly got dominated. If you think he deserves to be there you must do so on the basis of his acomplishments outside of welterweight, and hence your contradicting yourself.

If it's a p4p ranking, then Hayes acomplishments in the lower weight classes must count too.,

Corey Spinks

No he didn't he was undisputed welterweight champ for a couple fights but was then knocked out by Zab Judah before moving up.

Had he beaten Zab both times and then moved up and won another title you can guarantee he would have been in the p4p top 10.

Actually I can't remember that far back, but I'm pretty sure he was there when he beat Zab first time anway.

[BoxingGorilla]

I'm not pleased with David Haye being on the list, but other than that I'm fine with it.

[Kev]

I'm not pleased with David Haye being on the list, but other than that I'm fine with it.

I agree, but a three time world champ in two weight classes. Isn't it discrimination not to include him just because he's now in a weight class where he's not regarded as the best yet?

Can you name one other 3 time two division world champ on a hot winning streak who isn't in the p4p?

[eagle]

I believe Adameks resume is better than Hayes, he may not have won the titles Haye has, but the fighters he beat were bigger challenges i think. Plus he has had to move up further in weight than Haye.

[Ernesto]

i don't see how the hell Haye could be top 10 p4p without both Klitschko's being ahead of him, both have better resumes

I can not be more agree with you!!

[milmascaras1]

1. floyd mayweather
2. manny pacquiao
3. wladimir klitschko
4. paul williams
5. chad dawson
6. andre ward
7. juan manuel marquez
8. lucian bute
9. juan manuel lopez
10. timothy bradley

best of the rest...in no particular order...
celestino caballero
sergio martinez
vic darchinyan
nonito donaire
fernando montiel
robert guerrero
humberto soto
yonnhy perez
toshiaki nishioka
omar andres narvaez
devon alexander
marcos rene maidana
andre dirrell
chris john
vitali klitschko
shane mosley
bernard hopkins

[ElTerribleMorales]

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

[Kev]

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

If Haye doesn't make it in to the top how does Adamek?

And who has Bute beat to justify being number 8?

And where is J M Marquez? Or Paul Williams who beat your number 4 last time out?

This is a shitty list

[ICB]

B-Hop should be dropped a bit lower, he's fought two bad fights in a row. Against a shot fighter and another against a mediocre unknown fighter. I'd replace David Haye with Tomasz Adamek or Fernando Montiel, and Sergio Martinez is too high. Yes he's had some unlucky decision's. But still one win over Kelly Pavlik who's just about top 20 P4P, doesn't make him that high.