Is Boxing a couple years away from a huge decline?

[boozeboxer]

Why does boxing still have a stronghold then on PPV sales? Because the people that like MMA don't have the money to plop down 50 on a fight. Demographically, by the numbers I think they are young uneducated people.

The MMA people are trying to figure out a way to get more of this money, but they are competing with landlords, tattoo shops, and value meals.

Top 10 PPV buy rates, 2009

1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million

3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon

4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys

5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000

6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000

7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000

7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000

9. UFC 98: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000

10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys



Pac vs. Mayweather would outsell anything the UFC puts together, but the UFC is putting up consistent solid PPV numbers.

That said, that is 'UFC' _not_ MMA. MMA events by other promoters featuring top fighters haven't pulled anywhere near these numbers.

I don't think its that boxing is losing popularity to MMA so much as it is that the single promoter 'brand name' model is a lot easier to sell to casual fans. There are things to like and dislike, but its easier for casual fans to simply say 'oh, its UFC'. Much like people can be a casual fan of the NFL, the NBA, NASCAR while only knowing a few participants. People who like MMA can easily watch UFC ppvs, which promote following UFC PPVs, and showcase on the card up and coming UFC sponsored fighters who may be fighting in future title bouts, etc. By contrast, one of my co-workers likes boxing, started taking lessons, his favourite fighter is PWill and I have to let him know when he's fighting because he wouldn't know otherwise.

Being aware of up and coming boxers takes considerable effort relative to learning about up and coming MMA fighters.

This post is very interesting, and concerning I feel.

If you look at that you HAVE to be worried for boxing as the premier combat sport.

I mean the year's biggest superfight, the welterweight showdown between Mayweather and Mosley takes less PPV's than the Lesnar Mir showdown

That's alarming frankly and when Manny and Floyd leave I can't see any of the current lot getting over 450,000 buys.

Meanwhile MMA is going from strength to strength and guys like Lesnar, St Pierre and Silva are only going to increase in popularity.

I just don't see the cross-over. I have had friends who were hard-core alternative lifestyle fight fans and they would never put money down for a boxing match. I would never put money down to watch dry humping.

Would they have put money down for a boxing match had these alternative lifestyle fights not existed? I doubt it. These are stupid friends I know who they themselves proclaim, "don't want to watch a 12 round boxing match."
Simply, watching guys on the floor for 6 is easier for them to follow.

[generalbulldog]

BTW, I remember reading that the UFC numbers are only verified by the UFC themselves and that the public records are not released like say HBO's on PPV numbers. So the numbers right there may be fudged up a little bit.

MMA in my eyes is like comparing the NFL to the EPL. The NFL while being hugely popular in America and a few neighboring countries like Canada isn't on par with the EPL which is hugely popular everywhere else. And that's how I view MMA compared to boxing.