Pac's not ready for Floyd....

[JSwift]

I dont believe either of their resumes for the past few fights should be considered all star caliber. And while a lot of emphasis on this post seems to be focused on punching power. I think that Floyd's counter punching and more importantly, his 5-6 inch reach advantage will be a major factor. Of course this wont be the first time Pac has fought a man with longer arms, but fighting a guy with longer arms whose primary attacks are the left hand check hook and the straight right hand could spell problems. Maybe if Pac used more lateral movement I would feel better about his chances. Or the fact that Clottey could hit him when he decided during every lunar eclipse to throw a punch. There's no excuse for Manny's face to look like that after that fight.

clottey's offense was irrelevant. pacquiao won almost all the rounds. he dominated clottey and clottey didn't really hurt or wobbled pacquiao.

im agreeing with you. thats why i couldnt understand why pac's face was so worn out. when clottey threw one of his four uppercuts the whole fight, it landed. he just didnt wanna throw it or anything else for that matter

[zhubin]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

[generalbulldog]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

[zhubin]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

[generalbulldog]

Some people just want to evade logic or the facts. Again...the best fighter Pac has faced is Marquez. Floyd does everything Marquez does X2...plus he has unequaled defense. This isn't about who's personality we like better. It's about who is the better boxer. I have no problem admitting that Pac's resume is better than Floyd's. But too many people are equating Pac's recent performances to what will happen against Mayweather. Pac...for all of his improvements and athleticism...still fights one way. He is still easy to hit. You can wear down lesser opponents with stamina issues. But against a master technician who is also a supreme athlete...you better have a lot more in your bag than "i am going to overwhelm him with my work rate." You cannot beat Floyd by simply pressuring him. Pac will bring out the best in Mayweather...and Floyd's best IMO, will bee too much for Manny.

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

Sure if you want to play that game about questioning the guy's last few wins. Let's do it with Floyd then.


De La Hoya- 34 years old, past his prime and mainly inactive during that time.
Hatton-Fought at 147 against Floyd, prior to that he looked like crap moving to 147.
Marquez-Went life and death at 135 against Diaz and Casamayor, so he was bound to look like crap fighting at the welterweight division and at 36 years old.
Mosley-38 1/2 years old with a 16 month layoff.

It's pretty easy ain't it to pick holes in a guy's wins?

And I already said that I favor Floyd in a matchup against Pacquiao, but ain't it easy to discredit a guy's victories?

[Majesty]

No, what you did was discredit a fighter and picked holes in his resume and tried to discredit his career. This can be done with any fighter.

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

Sure if you want to play that game about questioning the guy's last few wins. Let's do it with Floyd then.


De La Hoya- 34 years old, past his prime and mainly inactive during that time.
Hatton-Fought at 147 against Floyd, prior to that he looked like crap moving to 147.
Marquez-Went life and death at 135 against Diaz and Casamayor, so he was bound to look like crap fighting at the welterweight division and at 36 years old.
Mosley-38 1/2 years old with a 16 month layoff.

It's pretty easy ain't it to pick holes in a guy's wins?

And I already said that I favor Floyd in a matchup against Pacquiao, but ain't it easy to discredit a guy's victories?

The difference is that Mayweather has fought the number 2 and 3 p4p people in his last 2 wins, Hatton nor Cotto was anywhere near that

[UKPH]

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

Sure if you want to play that game about questioning the guy's last few wins. Let's do it with Floyd then.


De La Hoya- 34 years old, past his prime and mainly inactive during that time.
Hatton-Fought at 147 against Floyd, prior to that he looked like crap moving to 147.
Marquez-Went life and death at 135 against Diaz and Casamayor, so he was bound to look like crap fighting at the welterweight division and at 36 years old.
Mosley-38 1/2 years old with a 16 month layoff.

It's pretty easy ain't it to pick holes in a guy's wins?

And I already said that I favor Floyd in a matchup against Pacquiao, but ain't it easy to discredit a guy's victories?

The difference is that Mayweather has fought the number 2 and 3 p4p people in his last 2 wins, Hatton nor Cotto was anywhere near that

I agree with this of p4p numbers but its debatable coz Marquez was not the same size of Mayweathers as p4p (welters).

[toe2toe]

Again...questions and arguments being evaded. I didn't discredit his career. I questioned the quality of his last few wins. I questioned whether he has the skill set or ability to beat Mayweather. I already stated he has a better resume than Floyd. Some of just don't blindly worship fighters and illogically think they can beat anyone.

Sure if you want to play that game about questioning the guy's last few wins. Let's do it with Floyd then.


De La Hoya- 34 years old, past his prime and mainly inactive during that time.
Hatton-Fought at 147 against Floyd, prior to that he looked like crap moving to 147.
Marquez-Went life and death at 135 against Diaz and Casamayor, so he was bound to look like crap fighting at the welterweight division and at 36 years old.
Mosley-38 1/2 years old with a 16 month layoff.

It's pretty easy ain't it to pick holes in a guy's wins?

And I already said that I favor Floyd in a matchup against Pacquiao, but ain't it easy to discredit a guy's victories?

The difference is that Mayweather has fought the number 2 and 3 p4p people in his last 2 wins, Hatton nor Cotto was anywhere near that

cotto was p4p top 10 or 20 when pacquiao fought him and cotto has a win on no. 3 (shane). how do you explain that?

imo pacquiao's win over hatton, cotto and clottey is bit greater (or equal) to floyd's win over jmm and shane.