I will not lie. I got teary eyed from this.

[Kev]

Ive not seen that,as far as fully mounting another cat and digging all fours into them so aggresivly.No one knows the animal Psyche and what in reality they are capable of "feeling".Its the actions that lead to conclusion and can be instinct,mimicking observed behavior or an actual thought process like....yes...you and I have,to one lesser degree or another.Some days,who's the real animal after all.I very much believe animals have a grieving process and mourn.Ive seen the calmest of dogs take protective postures over deceased pets in family...saw one actually drag another traumatized and deceased animal,frantically circle wailing and nudging him,almost to say get the f up.On the other hand Ive seen some just simply lay down and stare,whimpering and returning to owner...back and forth....eventually walking away.Shit some people see others in clear despair,passed out unconscious and in my own neighborhood shot dead...people go on like its just another day,walk 'around' the corpse.That cat has more compassion...clearly.

Yeah sadly you probably have a good point there., the inability to feel empathy and loss extends to at least some humans for sure.

For me though, I had to pour cold water on a sentimental video you understand, I highly doubt a cat is even capable of knowing what death is.

That is arrogance on our part to assume we are the only creatures capable of complex emotions. I have seen many animals display happiness, distress, you name it. Just because they cannot communicate their thought process in a way that we can understand, does not mean it does not exist, but only proves ignorance on our part. Here is an example. I once had a budgie. He was a great guy and could actually pick up and speak complete sentences. That was very odd for a budgie but was still just mimicking. The thing about him though was he had a temper. If you did something to piss him off, you learned very soon that he would get payback. Not immediately either. The normally happy bird would sit on his perch and just stare perfectly silent. If my girlfriend at the time then let him out of his cage to let him exercise his wings, I would have to keep my eyes open because he could fly so quick, right up under my nose and tear at the cartilage in an instant. It was painful as hell and half the time hard enough to make me bleed, but he would become happy again and start yapping. This could even be the next day. That was a tiny budgie holding a grudge.

haha I don't know if that was a joke or not but it made me laugh.

I think if animals were capable of holding grudges and forming plans of revenge we'd be having mayhem on the farms and zoo's across the world.

Animals feel basic emotions like fear, arousal, hunger etc.

I don't think budgies are harbouring resentments and dreaming of payback.....sorry lol

[Deanrw]

Ive not seen that,as far as fully mounting another cat and digging all fours into them so aggresivly.No one knows the animal Psyche and what in reality they are capable of "feeling".Its the actions that lead to conclusion and can be instinct,mimicking observed behavior or an actual thought process like....yes...you and I have,to one lesser degree or another.Some days,who's the real animal after all.I very much believe animals have a grieving process and mourn.Ive seen the calmest of dogs take protective postures over deceased pets in family...saw one actually drag another traumatized and deceased animal,frantically circle wailing and nudging him,almost to say get the f up.On the other hand Ive seen some just simply lay down and stare,whimpering and returning to owner...back and forth....eventually walking away.Shit some people see others in clear despair,passed out unconscious and in my own neighborhood shot dead...people go on like its just another day,walk 'around' the corpse.That cat has more compassion...clearly.

Yeah sadly you probably have a good point there., the inability to feel empathy and loss extends to at least some humans for sure.

For me though, I had to pour cold water on a sentimental video you understand, I highly doubt a cat is even capable of knowing what death is.

That is arrogance on our part to assume we are the only creatures capable of complex emotions. I have seen many animals display happiness, distress, you name it. Just because they cannot communicate their thought process in a way that we can understand, does not mean it does not exist, but only proves ignorance on our part. Here is an example. I once had a budgie. He was a great guy and could actually pick up and speak complete sentences. That was very odd for a budgie but was still just mimicking. The thing about him though was he had a temper. If you did something to piss him off, you learned very soon that he would get payback. Not immediately either. The normally happy bird would sit on his perch and just stare perfectly silent. If my girlfriend at the time then let him out of his cage to let him exercise his wings, I would have to keep my eyes open because he could fly so quick, right up under my nose and tear at the cartilage in an instant. It was painful as hell and half the time hard enough to make me bleed, but he would become happy again and start yapping. This could even be the next day. That was a tiny budgie holding a grudge.

haha I don't know if that was a joke or not but it made me laugh.

I think if animals were capable of holding grudges and forming plans of revenge we'd be having mayhem on the farms and zoo's across the world.

Animals feel basic emotions like fear, arousal, hunger etc.

I don't think budgies are harbouring resentments and dreaming of payback.....sorry lol

Well I beg to differ. I lived with him for 18 years. I used him as an example on purpose because to someone who hears about it, it would seem outlandish. This budgie though made it easy for people to know him simply because he had 0 instinctive fear of humans. So we ended up seeing all angles of his personality.

He was a funny character though. One time we were all in the TV room waiting for Holyfield/Bowe fight to start. My brother comes over and sits on my couch. The budgie would go nuts as soon as he heard new people arriving and wanted to greet them so he would plow into his cage door until it either fell open or someone would let him out. First thing he did was fly into the room. land on the couch. He then jumped on my brothers head (he was wearing a ball cap) then walked on the brim of the hat to the edge. he then grabbed the edge, flipped upside down like a bat facing my brother and says: "Hey Whatcha Doin?" We all roared.

[Kev]

Ive not seen that,as far as fully mounting another cat and digging all fours into them so aggresivly.No one knows the animal Psyche and what in reality they are capable of "feeling".Its the actions that lead to conclusion and can be instinct,mimicking observed behavior or an actual thought process like....yes...you and I have,to one lesser degree or another.Some days,who's the real animal after all.I very much believe animals have a grieving process and mourn.Ive seen the calmest of dogs take protective postures over deceased pets in family...saw one actually drag another traumatized and deceased animal,frantically circle wailing and nudging him,almost to say get the f up.On the other hand Ive seen some just simply lay down and stare,whimpering and returning to owner...back and forth....eventually walking away.Shit some people see others in clear despair,passed out unconscious and in my own neighborhood shot dead...people go on like its just another day,walk 'around' the corpse.That cat has more compassion...clearly.

Yeah sadly you probably have a good point there., the inability to feel empathy and loss extends to at least some humans for sure.

For me though, I had to pour cold water on a sentimental video you understand, I highly doubt a cat is even capable of knowing what death is.

That is arrogance on our part to assume we are the only creatures capable of complex emotions. I have seen many animals display happiness, distress, you name it. Just because they cannot communicate their thought process in a way that we can understand, does not mean it does not exist, but only proves ignorance on our part. Here is an example. I once had a budgie. He was a great guy and could actually pick up and speak complete sentences. That was very odd for a budgie but was still just mimicking. The thing about him though was he had a temper. If you did something to piss him off, you learned very soon that he would get payback. Not immediately either. The normally happy bird would sit on his perch and just stare perfectly silent. If my girlfriend at the time then let him out of his cage to let him exercise his wings, I would have to keep my eyes open because he could fly so quick, right up under my nose and tear at the cartilage in an instant. It was painful as hell and half the time hard enough to make me bleed, but he would become happy again and start yapping. This could even be the next day. That was a tiny budgie holding a grudge.

haha I don't know if that was a joke or not but it made me laugh.


I think if animals were capable of holding grudges and forming plans of revenge we'd be having mayhem on the farms and zoo's across the world.

Animals feel basic emotions like fear, arousal, hunger etc.

I don't think budgies are harbouring resentments and dreaming of payback.....sorry lol

Well I beg to differ. I lived with him for 18 years. I used him as an example on purpose because to someone who hears about it, it would seem outlandish. This budgie though made it easy for people to know him simply because he had 0 instinctive fear of humans. So we ended up seeing all angles of his personality.

He was a funny character though. One time we were all in the TV room waiting for Holyfield/Bowe fight to start. My brother comes over and sits on my couch. The budgie would go nuts as soon as he heard new people arriving and wanted to greet them so he would plow into his cage door until it either fell open or someone would let him out. First thing he did was fly into the room. land on the couch. He then jumped on my brothers head (he was wearing a ball cap) then walked on the brim of the hat to the edge. he then grabbed the edge, flipped upside down like a bat facing my brother and says: "Hey Whatcha Doin?" We all roared.

ha whilst I am certain the budgie did not know what he was saying I do agree he sounds like one cool muthafucker of a pet!

I love this parrot, I posted him up a couple years ago. The ending kills me every time. I do agree it's hard to not think this parrot doesn't really hold his owner in absolute contempt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVVzUxXxQZU

[ono]

following on from the invention of the word 'Dealth' yesterday by AlThugz, i present to you Stealth Dealth Cat

[TheMacMagician]

Dealth cat, funny as man...

[Kev]

haha I love that vid, it's like the Ring....but with a cat.

[ono]

haha I love that vid, it's like the Ring....but with a cat.

LOL. I've got a cat that does that aswell. Just not quite as dealthy.