I totally respect and understand why everyone feels joe c. would spank My P4P no.1 fighter Winky he definitely put on a display against Lacy that would make anyone favor him...... But I have been in the gym with both of these guys for years .And its hard to imagine anyone except father time beating Winky convincingly..I must admit out of all the fighters out there if there's anyone that can its joe. .... BUT I'M going down with the ship.