Your top 5 fighters now.

[Kev]

I can't really pick an order but for me

1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Carl Froch
3. Amir Khan
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Audley Harrison

[doublehook2]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

[Kev]

Oh top 5 most hated fighters needs to be done as well.

This is mostly in order.


1. Nonito Donaire
2. Lucian Bute
3. Matthew Hatton - The two above I hate for political reasons, i.e The Ring and ICB like them, Matthew Hatton is the only guy I personally can't stand. Everything about him annoys me.
4. David Haye - although some tiny small part of me is warming to his charismatic, manly charms. I hate it.
5. Jim Watt, I know he's no longer fighting but fuck me he's annoying.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Oh top 5 most hated fighters needs to be done as well.

This is mostly in order.


1. Nonito Donaire
2. Lucian Bute
3. Matthew Hatton - The two above I hate for political reasons, i.e The Ring and ICB like them, Matthew Hatton is the only guy I personally can't stand. Everything about him annoys me.
4. David Haye - although some tiny small part of me is warming to his charismatic, manly charms. I hate it.
5. Jim Watt, I know he's no longer fighting but fuck me he's annoying.

Why the hell would you hate Lucian Bute?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

In no particular order, here's eleven... Cuz I couldn't cut it to 5.

Michael Katsidis
Devon Alexander
Manny Pacquiao
Shane Mosley
Andre Ward
Sergio Martinez
Paul Williams
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Steve Cunningham
Ali Funeka
Lucian Bute

[Kirkland Laing]

Floyd
Gamboa
JMM
Abraham
Darchinyan

[killersheep]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

[doublehook2]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

Yeah he's got a big test in Cotto coming up. But as of now, he's an undefeated title holder. There are bigger punchers out there, but his footwork and ring generalship put him near the top at this point. He's hard to hit and a tough guy to win rounds against. Just like Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Khan. I rate him ahead of Khan because he hasn't been knocked stopped like Khan has. Dawson is in my top 5 because he's undefeated and has good names on his resume like Adamek, Glen Johnson, and Tarver. But I don't think Dawson has been as impressive as the top 4 on my list have been recently. Dawson is taking on Jean Pascal in August, though, so that'll be a good test for him.

[Pugilistic]

1. Bernard Hopkins ( He should consider retirement now though)
2. Timothy Bradley
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Chad Dawson

Other fighters that i'm not a huge fan of but i like them and feel they deserve a mention: Pacquiao, Mayweather, Williams, Katsidis, Khan, Klitschko Brothers, Mosley, Juanma Lopez, etc.

[C-Lo]

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Kelly Pavlik (Pre-Bernard Hopkins)

[Pugilistic]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

Stop right there Killer.

My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.

Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.

Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.

Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.

[killersheep]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

Stop right there Killer.

My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.

Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.

Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.

Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.

Come on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.

[Pugilistic]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

Stop right there Killer.

My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.

Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.

Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.

Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.

Come on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.

Maybe i'm underating him abit but there was simply nothing i seen from him that impressed me.

He showed he had good footwork and could box but otherwise i find him to be average. Maybe he somehow proves me wrong against Cotto.

Stylistically what he brings, i don't see bothering Cotto that much. He's been in with guys who use alot of movement before and he's broken them down all the same, with the jab, left hook and body work. Foreman is bigger than the other guys he broke down but he isn't faster than those guys so Cotto should have an easier time getting his shots off.

I would take a sigi bet with you but if i won, i would have no idea what i would do.

I like you too much to do anything harsh lol.

[killersheep]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson

On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

Stop right there Killer.

My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.

Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.

Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.

Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.

Come on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.

Maybe i'm underating him abit but there was simply nothing i seen from him that impressed me.

He showed he had good footwork and could box but otherwise i find him to be average. Maybe he somehow proves me wrong against Cotto.

Stylistically what he brings, i don't see bothering Cotto that much. He's been in with guys who use alot of movement before and he's broken them down all the same, with the jab, left hook and body work. Foreman is bigger than the other guys he broke down but he isn't faster than those guys so Cotto should have an easier time getting his shots off.

I would take a sigi bet with you but if i won, i would have no idea what i would do.

I like you too much to do anything harsh lol.

The feeling is mutual, we could do like CFH and I did just put a picture of the loser getting punched in the face. So if Cotto loses you'd put a picture of him getting clocked and if Foreman loses I put a picture of him getting decked.

[doublehook2]

Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.

Stop right there Killer.

My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.

Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.

Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.

Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.

Come on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.

Sometimes the term pure boxer is overused, but Foreman is truly a pure boxer. I would say that Mayweather and Foreman are the top 2 pure boxers out there at the moment in terms of the sweet science. Mayweather and Foreman don't have great one punch knockout power, but they bother opponents by keeping punches in their opponent's face, while moving out the way of opponents punches.

Amir Khan showed similar skills against Malignaggi, but Mayweather and Foreman have been doing this their entire career, while Khan has only doing this recently with Freddie Roach. And Pacquiao also is very busy, and has incredible hand speed, but Pacquiao has more of an open stance than Mayweather, Khan, or Foreman. In truth, Foreman may have the best footwork out of them all. (in terms of the fact that he's almost always moving laterally) Foreman just hasn't shown that KO power as consistently as the other 3 have shown.

Cotto vs Foreman at 154 is a very interesting fight, and in the coming weeks, I look forward to some good pre-fight threads for members to weigh-in regarding this fight. As highly as I rank Foreman, I don't think Cotto will be a walk in the park at all.

Here's why. If you go back to Cotto vs Pacquiao, for some reason (which is still unclear to me), the Pacquiao team made Cotto drain to 145 lbs with no title on the line, then turned around at contract signing and made it a title fight, supposedly at a 144 catch weight since Pacquiao was coming up from junior welter. They ended up both making 145, and it was kind of a shady situation, a lot like the catch weight situation between Mayweather and Marquez.

But the fact of the matter was both Pacquiao and Cotto weighed in at 145, whereas in fights before, Cotto was weighing in at 147, the welterweight limit. So for whatever reason, Cotto looked drained against Pacquiao, more drained than Pac-man because Pacquiao was coming up from junior welter, and something tells me Pacquiao has a higher metabolism than Cotto.

Despite looking drained, Cotto did very well in the early rounds against Pacquiao, giving Pacquiao the most early round trouble probably since Pacquiao faced Morales many years ago and the most trouble since Pacquiao has been training with Freddie Roach.

I am not sleeping on the possibility that Cotto will actually be more comfortable at junior middle than he was against Pacquiao at 145. Potentially 9 pounds could do wonders for Cotto, as Cotto is getting older, and many times when fighters go through wars and are starting to get older, they try to cut weight and lose something. (RJJ after coming down from Heavy is one example)

Cotto may just have the body type that will really benefit from moving up into a higher weight division at this point in his career. I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto has better stamina than he had against Pacquiao near the junior middleweight limit of 154. So with this said, a ready Cotto could turn back the clock a bit against Foreman and give Foreman his toughest fight to date.

I still think Foreman has enough ring savvy to win rounds against Cotto, but a more comfortable Cotto at 154 with good power and a strong jab could give Foreman problems.

This is a tough fight for Foreman, because if Foreman wins, people will probably say that Cotto is shot after getting TKO'd by Pacquiao. If Cotto beats Foreman, people will lose respect for Foreman, thinking that he lost to a washed up Cotto. But if you look at all the facts, Cotto's two losses aren't bad at all. One was marred in controversy against Marg, the other is to Pacquiao, the guy that many consider to be the pound for pound champion in a fight that was competitive early.

I actually think this will be a very competitive fight. I think we'll see a fit comfortable Cotto, a Cotto more like the old Cotto pre-Margarito. We'll see two top fighters with a loyal New York following fighting at Yankee Stadium, a fight at the stadium for the first time in nearly 35 years.

So, I am not one to bet my house on Foreman winning. I do give Foreman the edge due to his lateral movement, which, like Pacquiao, will give Cotto problems. But Cotto's jab could make it tough on Foreman to be as effective as he was against Santos. Foreman is a great pure boxer, but this is a step up in class for Foreman. Cotto has a lot to prove in this fight. He is at a new weight, and he may lose a little speed, but I don't see him fading late as he did against Pacquiao. For one, Foreman doesn't have the power than Pacquiao has, and Cotto should take more stamina up with him gaining a few pounds and not having to drain weight.

I see this being a tough fight for both guys. Both guys have solid jabs and Foreman won't stand toe-to-toe with Cotto early on. We'll find out just how much power Foreman has. It will be a very good fight and will really a huge event in New York. Cotto will be ready and Foreman will be make the first defense of his WBA World Light Middleweight title. Many people will pick Cotto to win, and those people aren't crazy. Cotto is training hard for this fight and isn't taking Foreman lightly. However, you can't underestimate the fact that Foreman has never tasted defeat and is a very slick pure boxer.