So....is war in the Middle East imminent?

[Kev]

Yep, totally agree Kirkland. Hating the Israeli's is far different than going all out to actually invade and try to destroy them. Obviously Iran doesn't have the power to do that and wouldn't be so brazen. The only way a conflict starts is if Israel itself once again goes off the handle.

Once again When was the last time? They act only in self defence.

[Kev]

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Such bullies these damn Zionists, they should pick on someone their own size

[Gandalf]

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Such bullies these damn Zionists, they should pick on someone their own size

They should stop bullying full stop, size doesn't come into it. It also helps that the other great sponsor of state led terrorist activity is right in their corner if push comes to shove. This is about nuclear weapons right? So why does tiny little Israel have an estimatel arsenal of around 300 right now? And Iran is being told "you are not allowed them". Iraq set the precedent. All states need to arm themselves with nuclear weapons incase of a preemptive strike by the US military. You don't even need evidence of wrongdoing, they will attack you anyway. It's been repeated over and over the past 50 years.

[amat]

Are you serious Miles? Why would you not want Iran to have nukes? You would get the world blown up because you are thinking to much in the interest of fairness. I don't care to talk about Israel, but do you not understand that it's paramount that someone like Iran's president never gets nukes. He's literally crazy and I mean hasn't he called for Israel to be wiped out? Calling for another country's extinction should disqualify you from Nukes. AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL but would you be comfortable if Iran was allowed to develop nukes?

I just fucken hate how people try to paint only one side as the bad guys. The people who absolutely kill me are those who think we should not be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's almost like they don't want the coalition military to take up a fight where they actually look like the good guys. These people, honestly have not got a clue. I don't either, but I can sure as hell bet you I would never ever want to spend a day under Taliban rule. They are among the most evil people on the planet, and these evil people are out there and it's NOT a bad thing to be fighting them. I don't give a fuck about politics, and the reasons why we are there and poor execution in the beginning, we're there and we couldn't possibly leave now knowing the true evils of the Taliban.

[Nameless]

Are you serious Miles? Why would you not want Iran to have nukes? You would get the world blown up because you are thinking to much in the interest of fairness. I don't care to talk about Israel, but do you not understand that it's paramount that someone like Iran's president never gets nukes. He's literally crazy and I mean hasn't he called for Israel to be wiped out? Calling for another country's extinction should disqualify you from Nukes. AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL but would you be comfortable if Iran was allowed to develop nukes?

I just fucken hate how people try to paint only one side as the bad guys. The people who absolutely kill me are those who think we should not be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's almost like they don't want the coalition military to take up a fight where they actually look like the good guys. These people, honestly have not got a clue. I don't either, but I can sure as hell bet you I would never ever want to spend a day under Taliban rule. They are among the most evil people on the planet, and these evil people are out there and it's NOT a bad thing to be fighting them. I don't give a fuck about politics, and the reasons why we are there and poor execution in the beginning, we're there and we couldn't possibly leave now knowing the true evils of the Taliban.

I don't like the Taliban either but the funny thing is that the Taliban has been put in place with the help of the CIA and the American Gov. They did that because they thought that by helping them, the Talibans would let them to use a pipeline on their territory to suck up petrol from the Caspian sea. When helping the bad guys serving your interests is ok and then very bad when they aren't doing the Yes Men, I call that hypocrisy. If they would have been ok with the pipeline, you can bet that the US would have never landed here and wouldn't give a flying f about the peoples over there.

IF you want a very good summary of it all: Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban

[Gandalf]

Are you serious Miles? Why would you not want Iran to have nukes? You would get the world blown up because you are thinking to much in the interest of fairness. I don't care to talk about Israel, but do you not understand that it's paramount that someone like Iran's president never gets nukes. He's literally crazy and I mean hasn't he called for Israel to be wiped out? Calling for another country's extinction should disqualify you from Nukes. AGAIN, NOT TRYING TO TALK ABOUT ISRAEL but would you be comfortable if Iran was allowed to develop nukes?

I just fucken hate how people try to paint only one side as the bad guys. The people who absolutely kill me are those who think we should not be fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan. It's almost like they don't want the coalition military to take up a fight where they actually look like the good guys. These people, honestly have not got a clue. I don't either, but I can sure as hell bet you I would never ever want to spend a day under Taliban rule. They are among the most evil people on the planet, and these evil people are out there and it's NOT a bad thing to be fighting them. I don't give a fuck about politics, and the reasons why we are there and poor execution in the beginning, we're there and we couldn't possibly leave now knowing the true evils of the Taliban.

I have already said I would prefer a nuclear free region. But Israel having such a stockpile is a huge white elephant in the room. What I am saying is that to say that Iran cannot have them is hypocrisy. Which it obviously is. And all I am saying in addition is that in the age of the preemptive strike, a time when they will fabricate evidence and just make up a reason to attack, then you have to understand individual states wanting to try and prevent that. Whence North Korea supposedly bolstering itself up. Nobody wants to be the next Iraq.

You say Ahmadinejad is crazy, but I look at him as being unhinged mainly in the sense of his flamboyant use of rhetoric. He talks of the desire to see Israel go down in a ball of fire, but then again Kim Jong-il often comes out with the same stuff about attacking South Korea. It's lunatic talk, but do they ever do anything about it? Personally, I am not 100% convinced that North Korea really did torpedo that South Korean ship either, but even if they did, that is as far as they go. Terrible yes, but no more terrible than what Israel did really. Israel is actually in the process of ethnically cleansing Palestine, not too much talk about it mind, but that's what they are actually doing. I would prefer to listen to the crazies with their "seas of fire" rhetoric and no action than to actually see the silent huge concentration camp in action. Both are quite wrong and like I say both shouldn't really have this kind of weaponry.

We read the media every day and they are trying to set your mindset in a particular direction. It isn't all black and white at all, but usually our media likes to paint us as being the good guys in a just battle, but it really isn't the case. The Taliban suck, but go back through your own countries history and see the evil that has been done all too many times. Yes, we have freedom of speech and have certain freedoms, but at what cost to how many countries in the world through our brutal and unnecessary military colonialism and inability to respect the rights of other nations to be free from our sphere of influence? And Nameless covered it quite well, we even put the Taliban there in the first place and we only wanted them out again when they were no longer working in our interests. Where are these 9-11 terror suspects BTW? All forgotten about.

[Gandalf]

And before anyone tries to brand me as soft on Iran, I would like to make clear that I think their regime is horrible and the suppression of human rights and political freedoms harsh. No doubt about that, but that's a different point than the nuclear issue. If we want to go about dealing with Iran on that level then fair enough, but other nations should then also be called on the same kinds of things.

[amat]

It doesn't matter, these are awful people and who gives a fuck about the terror suspects. We could have killed Bin Laden on day 1, we would still have a reason to get rid of the fucking taliban. They are awful. I just read today they executed a 7 year old boy accusing him of being a spy. Whether we gave them support in the past or not, is anyone here actually against fighting the Taliban?

Taliban Kill, Hang 7-Year-Old Boy as Government Spy