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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Let's not act like Angulo is automatically as good of a fighter as Margarito. Margarito beat Cintron twice while Angulo lost even if he was coming on at the end, for fighters of the same style you can kind of draw off that.

    Cotto to me didn't look as good as I hoped he would.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    class wise, cotto takes it but then again, angulo hits too hard to be dismissed by any 154lber. like someone already alluded to, cotto will build up a nice impressive lead but i see angulo getting stronger as the fight goes on and takes cotto to very deep waters. can cotto survive? that remains to be seen but i definitely give angulo a great chance of beating cotto!

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Let's not act like Angulo is automatically as good of a fighter as Margarito. Margarito beat Cintron twice while Angulo lost even if he was coming on at the end, for fighters of the same style you can kind of draw off that.

    Cotto to me didn't look as good as I hoped he would.
    How good is Margarito? Even if you're a Margarito fan we don't know how long he used plaster. He even still says he never knew. If true, then the wraps had to have felt normal to him with drying plaster in them. So that could've been the norm. 2 fights we know he didn't and he looked like crap in one losing by bad TKO and the other he looked average or so. I think we need to see more of Margarito. He may very well have been boosted by cheating the whole time. I mean this is the same guy who before he got caught with the plaster had broken one fighters eye socket, nearly torn off another fighter's ear, and had Cotto bleeding from his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears. Even if you're the most naive guy in the world you have to see that this is abnormal and highly suspicious.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Point taken. I do agree that Cotto should outbox Angulo but I only worry about how much does Cotto have left. He does have quite the mileage and maybe Angulo would be the benefactor of a overridden horse. But if Cotto is even 85% of his best he should be able to go 12 good rounds of hit and miss with Angulo.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
    This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them. Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?

    Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    I have Cotto by UD or late stoppage

    Yes Angulo came on late vs Cintron BUT Kermit did 0 work to the body and I think with Miguel outboxing him and landing solid to the body Angulo has little chance to catch a second wind and for a pressure fighter I feel Angulo lacks a lot in the "sense of urgency" department....if you're a true pressure fighter it's your job to wear down your opponent and win rounds doing so....vs Cintron Angulo had no sense of urgency until it was too late. Say what you will about Cotto but he wants to win every single round and usually he does it or takes more out of his opponent than is taken out of him.

    Either way Miguel boxing and the work to the body are keys

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Cotto outboxes him to a decision and I also think he puts a few dents in Angulo.
    He either stuns him or hurts him to the body int he fight...

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    cotto will beat the bircks of this guy, hes way to strong for him, angulo will eat to many hard punches, hes not readdy for cotto

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Total flip flop in styles with Angulo compared to Foreman.As well as blunt usage of natural size and time campaigned at weight.Good news for Cotto is that IF he has retained his legs over time and ability to box he can play window washer on face first and somewhat unimaginative Angulo for awhile...bad news is from what I've seen as of late he has not and will have to fight Angulo off as it deepens and as exchanges grow.Shot for shot I just dont see Cotto out dueling Angulo and can see Angulos deceptively accurate inside shots taxing Cotto tremendously.Both can be cut up but while Angulo shows feet of led at times I dont think Cotto can field his best incoming and keep his legs.He dont have the freshness,fight or flight mentality nor the range of Cintron.And Cintron does not have Cottos heart and fighters instinct.He'll have to trade at some point and I go with Angulo coming from behind to tko Cotto.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
    This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them. Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?

    Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
    he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs

    another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
    Cotto can easily make Angulo look bad but I have a hard time seeing Cotto's chin keeping up. If 154 is a better weight for Cotto than maybe his stamina will last. Also, having Emmanuel Steward in the corner is only going to be a plus so there are a bunch of variables that can change my mind.

    You know what, we all know Angulo has one hell of a chin but someone mentioned it earlier, how would he deal with Cotto's body shots. I don't know, now i'm going back and forth with this fight. I'll just leave me final verdict as a toss up fight...

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
    This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them. Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?

    Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
    he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs

    another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
    Cotto should win this fight by outboxing him but Angulo definitely has one punch ko power. Watch his clips of some of his earlier fights. Even his last two fights he KO'd Julio and Yorgey with one punch.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    cotto way to strong for angulo? lol...hardly. remember, cotto is going to be the naturally smaller guy. cotto might be able to outbox angulo but do you really think cotto can take angulo's punches for 12 rounds.? he might be able to but it's going to be tough cause if cotto thought margarito hit hard and came forward, he's going to get the same dose from an even bigger angulo.

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    Default Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?

    Quote Originally Posted by blegit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales View Post
    if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
    This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them. Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?

    Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
    he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs

    another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
    Cotto should win this fight by outboxing him but Angulo definitely has one punch ko power. Watch his clips of some of his earlier fights. Even his last two fights he KO'd Julio and Yorgey with one punch.
    he didn't KO Julio with ONE shot, he wore him down and caught him late while he was tiring, most of Angulo's early opponents still work 9 to 5, i'm not saying he doesn't have heavy hands, i just don't think he has power like Gomez, Tyson, Foreman, Trinidad, Freitas, Carbajal, etc., where the first shot he lands can end it

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