Very cool video regarding Israel's defensible borders and territory negotiations.

[Kirkland Laing]

You talk about apartheid but in reality this is just not true. There are many Israeli Arabs in the Knesset, also soldiers and police force. Arab citizens get full legal rights.

Four decades later, the increasingly complex world of Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary. Jerusalem's council forces Rhateb to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so. Rhateb's children have been thrown out of their Jerusalem school, he cannot register a car in his name - or rather he can, but only one with Palestinian number plates, which means he cannot drive it to his home because only Israeli-registered cars are allowed within Jerusalem - and he needs a pass to visit the centre of the city. The army grants him about four a year.
There is more. If Rhateb is not legally resident in his own home, then he is defined as an "absentee" who has abandoned his property. Under Israeli law, it now belongs to the state or, more particularly, its Jewish citizens. "They sent papers that said we cannot sell the land or develop it because we do not own the land. It belongs to the state," he says. "Any time they want to confiscate it, they can, because they say we are absentees even though we are living in the house."

Worlds apart | World news | The Guardian


Also. If a bunch of militant Muslim immigrants started migrating to Britain in 1880 with the stated intention of setting up a Muslim state and set up terrorist groups to kill and threaten the natives while trying to expand over as big an area as possible, with ongoing killings etc., how do you think the natives would react? That's why some Palestinians killed some Jews pre-1948.

[Nameless]

I didn't reply to this thread by lack of time but in a nutshell: Kirklang and Miles are 100% right. Bilbo, digging out from 1830 when Israel was not even existing is extremely silly, it's like if i would dislike english Canadian and would dig out the Patriot Revolts from the 1876 to justify that, it's just... a non sense.
If Israel would stop stealing lands and building their own houses on it an going back to the 1967 borders, it would be all good in a matter of a few years (because when you pile shit for half a century long, you can imagine, I hope, that you're giving incredible roots to hate). After all the arguments I, Miles and Kirkland gave you with proofs in various topic about it, I wonder why you continue your non sense crusade for Israel, either you like to stir up controversy hobbit style or you have a bit of a loose screw when it touches political-religious matter touching indirectly the bible (which doesn't make you less charming, by the way )

[amat]

(which doesn't make you less charming, by the way )

Nameless, out of you, Miles and Laing, you're the one who acts like he's trying to seduce Bilbo Very bizarre.

[Gandalf]

I am adding nothing new to the thread here, but just adding a video for Bilbo to watch. I think we both agree that Finklestein carries himself in a most unique way. For me not only does he talk a lot of sense, but he is never in a dull interview.

[Gandalf]

Here's another classic. I'm working my way through all available stuff on You Tube. Finkelstein is my new favourite academic. I'm going to have to buy his new book.

[Kev]

Here's another classic. I'm working my way through all available stuff on You Tube. Finkelstein is my new favourite academic. I'm going to have to buy his new book.

haha Finklestein got owned in this clip in my opinion, every single one of his arguments was easily discredited.

Anyway, it's now been proven conlusively that the IHH who organised the Flotilla is a terrorist organisation, that the head of the IHH himself Bulent Yildirim urged the muslim terrorsists to the throw the Isreali cockroaches overboard if/when they sought to get on board the boat and the testimony of the actual crew of the Mavi Marmara, both the captain and first officer have stated that members of the IHH took command of the ship prior to the Israeli boarding and turned it into a battlezone.

VIDEO / IHH leader tells Gaza flotilla activists to 'throw IDF soldiers into the sea' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

The debate about the illegal occupation, the illegal blockade etc will continue to rage on but the Flotilla 'aid convoy' has now been completely exposed for what it was, a terror attack.

Interesting how Finklestein's claims of some Muslim women's secret videos hidding in her underwear came to absolutely nothing. Maybe the man does get it wrong from time to time.

Also, has he had a lobotomy? Or is he autistic or something? It's really weird, he has like no emotion, no life behind his eyes, no inflection in his voice or anything. He's like a meloncholy robot. Very odd.

[Gandalf]

This ones pretty great too. Just wait until he starts on about Bush. Absoutely brilliant.

[Gandalf]

Bilbo, Finkelstein was in no way owned. In fact he has been proven correct on all counts.
This is the woman who got the video out BTW. Anyway, Finkelstein could be an old bore, waffling on, but he isn't. He is thoroughly enertaining.