I never said experts... I'm talking about guys I've seen in pubs, at work, in the gym etc... who have watched too many beer adverts and who talk about 1966 and Gazza crying too much. ((my news feed post match or what ever poster was suffering angst and telling everybody to fuck off in your 'fuck America thread' are rife with it )

Read plenty of articles in the sun/mirror saying that Rooney will be this cup's Ronaldo etc whether or not these guys are respected analysts isn't the point really... it's the fools stupid enough to read it and buy into it and those are who I'm on about.

and again I'm not saying don't support the team... just don't be arrogant deluded twats about them. aimed at nobody in perticular... just the general attitudes I'm personally coming across.

Can't see a contradiction at all... I'd get behind a team who put up an honest effort, whether they have a chance or not... it's not the same as acting arrogantly over a bunch of under performing, frankly over rated posers.

Not got a problem with our team's ability, people supporting football teams or what ever... but the attitudes of most of our players and some of our fans doesn't really attract or interest me into becoming a massive football fan.

Massive fan of almost any sport but at times the attitude and culture that now surrounds football, especially in england turns my stomach.























Plus I never got over having my tender young heart broken back in 1996