Did we ever have a thread on Jones Vs Mayweather?

[0james0]

I think there were about 100 thread at the time!

I'd go with exactly the same result as the fight they had, in exactly the same manor.

Jones rocks Floyd but can't finish. Floyd pulls away the longer the fight goes on

[donnydarkoIRL]

I think Mayweather could take this.
Mayweather coped with speed really well in the Judah and Mosley fights by simply switching to a hands up defence.

[DaxxKahn]

I think there were about 100 thread at the time!

I'd go with exactly the same result as the fight they had, in exactly the same manor.

Jones rocks Floyd but can't finish. Floyd pulls away the longer the fight goes on

ah well like I said junk the thread lol

[JonesJrMayweather]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

[donnydarkoIRL]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

Now I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.

I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.

In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.

[DaxxKahn]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

Now I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.

I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.

In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.

Well said on the Pacquiao Mayweather issue...The other I dont see it.....

Roy was tooo damn fast...He hit too damn hard...he embaressed too many not decent fighters but HOF fighters.....His chin then was not shakey or if it was that as well just adds to the fact he was so good noone even had the chance to test it...

Hopkins, Tate, Toney, Paz, McCallum, Hill all ATG all HOF bound all dangerous when Roy beat them handily......Finished those who he did when he wanted...As far as the skillset of Judah?...Zab has mental breakdowns deciding to buy one or two ply bathroom tissue so the skills are only good when used....I have top go with Roy by KO.....IMO he waits for Floyd to try and counter times him drops him Floyd gets up Roy too quick to allow him to hold and catches him again for the stoppage as Floyd tries to grab on.....If he tries the high defense Roy breaks the body down....

Ask Virgil Hill how hard Roy bangs the body

[ICB]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

Now I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.

I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.

In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.

Zab Judah never had the mental game, and at times FMJ struggled to anticipate the speed, and Shane Mosley whilst still dangerous. Was old and had been inactive for over a year.

Put it this way James Toney used shoulder roll like FMJ, and was also a master counter puncher. Yet he was embarrassed over 12 rounds, FMJ couldn't stand in the pocket vs RJJ, nor could he be the aggressor because RJJ hit too damn hard.

[donnydarkoIRL]

[QUOTE=DaxxKahn;891840]

Well said on the Pacquiao Mayweather issue...The other I dont see it.....

Roy was tooo damn fast...He hit too damn hard...he embaressed too many not decent fighters but HOF fighters.....His chin then was not shakey or if it was that as well just adds to the fact he was so good noone even had the chance to test it...

Hopkins, Tate, Toney, Paz, McCallum, Hill all ATG all HOF bound all dangerous when Roy beat them handily......Finished those who he did when he wanted...As far as the skillset of Judah?...Zab has mental breakdowns deciding to buy one or two ply bathroom tissue so the skills are only good when used....I have top go with Roy by KO.....IMO he waits for Floyd to try and counter times him drops him Floyd gets up Roy too quick to allow him to hold and catches him again for the stoppage as Floyd tries to grab on.....If he tries the high defense Roy breaks the body down....

Ask Virgil Hill how hard Roy bangs the body

Zab Judah never had the mental game, and at times FMJ struggled to anticipate the speed, and Shane Mosley whilst still dangerous. Was old and had been inactive for over a year.

Put it this way James Toney used shoulder roll like FMJ, and was also a master counter puncher. Yet he was embarrassed over 12 rounds, FMJ couldn't stand in the pocket vs RJJ, nor could he be the aggressor because RJJ hit too damn hard.

Hey Guys, I hope you don't mind I reply with one post to both of these.
Roy was amazing- gifted in every department, He was incredible.

But when matching up these hypothetical fights and trying to solve the p4p puzzle I always ask myself who's attributes would I rather have myself.
I'll give them relatively equal or similar levels of athleticism, intelligence and ring generalship.

So would I prefer;
Roy's speed and power
or
Mayweather's defensive skills and precision.


So maybe this is the boxing idealist in me, but I would prefer the more polished skill set and precise boxing.
The idea of pugilism is skills over physicality so out of sheer stubborness I refuse to pick Roy

[JonesJrMayweather]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

Now I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.

I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.

In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.

[QUOTE=hitmandonny;891864]

Well said on the Pacquiao Mayweather issue...The other I dont see it.....

Roy was tooo damn fast...He hit too damn hard...he embaressed too many not decent fighters but HOF fighters.....His chin then was not shakey or if it was that as well just adds to the fact he was so good noone even had the chance to test it...

Hopkins, Tate, Toney, Paz, McCallum, Hill all ATG all HOF bound all dangerous when Roy beat them handily......Finished those who he did when he wanted...As far as the skillset of Judah?...Zab has mental breakdowns deciding to buy one or two ply bathroom tissue so the skills are only good when used....I have top go with Roy by KO.....IMO he waits for Floyd to try and counter times him drops him Floyd gets up Roy too quick to allow him to hold and catches him again for the stoppage as Floyd tries to grab on.....If he tries the high defense Roy breaks the body down....

Ask Virgil Hill how hard Roy bangs the body

Zab Judah never had the mental game, and at times FMJ struggled to anticipate the speed, and Shane Mosley whilst still dangerous. Was old and had been inactive for over a year.

Put it this way James Toney used shoulder roll like FMJ, and was also a master counter puncher. Yet he was embarrassed over 12 rounds, FMJ couldn't stand in the pocket vs RJJ, nor could he be the aggressor because RJJ hit too damn hard.

Hey Guys, I hope you don't mind I reply with one post to both of these.
Roy was amazing- gifted in every department, He was incredible.

But when matching up these hypothetical fights and trying to solve the p4p puzzle I always ask myself who's attributes would I rather have myself.
I'll give them relatively equal or similar levels of athleticism, intelligence and ring generalship.

So would I prefer;
Roy's speed and power
or
Mayweather's defensive skills and precision.


So maybe this is the boxing idealist in me, but I would prefer the more polished skill set and precise boxing.
The idea of pugilism is skills over physicality so out of sheer stubborness I refuse to pick Roy

TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...

BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...

[Taeth]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.

Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.

[JonesJrMayweather]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.

Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.

Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.

And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.

But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...

[donnydarkoIRL]

TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...

BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...

1.
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.

Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.

Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.

I agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....

I can definitely respect that opinion.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.



On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books

[JonesJrMayweather]

TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...

BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...

1.
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.

Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.

Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.

I agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....

I can definitely respect that opinion.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.



On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books

Agreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...

[Taeth]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.

Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.

Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.

And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.

But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...

I am a fan boy of both Roy Jones and Mayweather silly kid. The thing is I've obviously watched way more of these two then you have. Roy got hit by plenty of opponents who were far slower than this fading speed guys that Mayweather fought. The only two guys that Roy ever fought near his prime who were considered fast were Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. We both know that Montel hit Roy a fair share of times, and Roy did do well against Reggie, but Reggie after getting hurt early didn't really throw anything with conviction or meaning. We've also seen Harding, Telesco, Woods, Pazienza early, McCallum, Hopkins, Gonzalez all hit Roy with relative frequency. His % of connects against were higher than Floyd by a long shot, and we didn't see Roy keep guys who were at the level Hatton, De La Hoya, and Mosley were to landing 20% of their shots, and we never saw Roy ever have a guy as good as Marquez even smaller guys land only 12% of the time. Floyd is in a different league defensively, and whereas Roy was all speed and instinct defensively, Floyd also incorporated a large amount of technique defensively. Also let it be noted that Mosley is still is insanely quick as was Oscar's handspeed, Hatton's footspeed, and Marquez has always been able to land on everyone he had faced previously.

Roy did hurt some guys like Sosa(who shouldn't have been stopped), Johnson(who he could have stopped), and Virgill Hill who hadn't been really bothered before in their career, but we also saw guys like Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Harding, De Valle, Woods take his punches. I am not saying Roy didn't have one punch power, but so does MOsley, neither of them had Mike Tyson power, but they both had the ability to change a fight drastically with one well landed blow. You can Vargas and Mayorga were ruined if you want, but they could still take a punch, and Mosley still ko'ed Antonio Margarito who has a better chin than both of them anyways.

[JonesJrMayweather]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.

Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.

Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.

And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.

But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...

I am a fan boy of both Roy Jones and Mayweather silly kid. The thing is I've obviously watched way more of these two then you have. Roy got hit by plenty of opponents who were far slower than this fading speed guys that Mayweather fought. The only two guys that Roy ever fought near his prime who were considered fast were Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. We both know that Montel hit Roy a fair share of times, and Roy did do well against Reggie, but Reggie after getting hurt early didn't really throw anything with conviction or meaning. We've also seen Harding, Telesco, Woods, Pazienza early, McCallum, Hopkins, Gonzalez all hit Roy with relative frequency. His % of connects against were higher than Floyd by a long shot, and we didn't see Roy keep guys who were at the level Hatton, De La Hoya, and Mosley were to landing 20% of their shots, and we never saw Roy ever have a guy as good as Marquez even smaller guys land only 12% of the time. Floyd is in a different league defensively, and whereas Roy was all speed and instinct defensively, Floyd also incorporated a large amount of technique defensively. Also let it be noted that Mosley is still is insanely quick as was Oscar's handspeed, Hatton's footspeed, and Marquez has always been able to land on everyone he had faced previously.

Roy did hurt some guys like Sosa(who shouldn't have been stopped), Johnson(who he could have stopped), and Virgill Hill who hadn't been really bothered before in their career, but we also saw guys like Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Harding, De Valle, Woods take his punches. I am not saying Roy didn't have one punch power, but so does MOsley, neither of them had Mike Tyson power, but they both had the ability to change a fight drastically with one well landed blow. You can Vargas and Mayorga were ruined if you want, but they could still take a punch, and Mosley still ko'ed Antonio Margarito who has a better chin than both of them anyways.

First, those shots landed against roy were meaningless body shots that he'd give them once he lays against the ropes.

Second, all of those guys you named that 'took" his shots were naturally bigger men that he had to wear down first. He stopped harmon, harding, and woods the same as Shane stopped a naturally bigger margarito, It took time because they were bigger.

Shane's kayo percentage went from 94% to 74% after he moved up because he was fighting bigger men the same as RJJ's was 97% while at MW then 88% at SMW and the percentage went down again after he moved up and started fighting even bigger men.

But RJJ percentage at the starting out weight when compared to shane's starting out weight is still higher....97-94