Did we ever have a thread on Jones Vs Mayweather?

[Violent Demise]

TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...

BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...

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I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.

Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.

Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.

I agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....

I can definitely respect that opinion.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.



On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books

Agreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...

It just shows your true knowledge of the sport. Or lack of that is

[donnydarkoIRL]

Agreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...

LoL no not a popular opinion that on here

It just shows your true knowledge of the sport. Or lack of that is

No love for the Cali fighter?

[DaxxKahn]

Agreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...

LoL no not a popular opinion that on here

It just shows your true knowledge of the sport. Or lack of that is

No love for the Cali fighter?

Shane is/was a great fighter but Duran had a better career, Duran may have been the greatest LW of all time at least in the top 3....Just my opp though

[JonesJrMayweather]

TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...

BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...

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I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.

Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.

Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.

I agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....

I can definitely respect that opinion.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.



On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books

Agreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...

It just shows your true knowledge of the sport. Or lack of that is

"We should all hold the same opinion about certain fighters and those that don't must not know enough"

The hook of the Saddo theme song....

[SRR]

RJJ was a lot faster than Mosely has ever been, had better reflexes, was more unpredictable [due to insane footspeed/work and his unbelievable ability to throw any punch from any angle] and hit a lot harder, and yet Mosely could probably have finished Floyd in round 2 if he had had the gas in the tank [let's face it, he clearly didn't - at least not on fight night]. The only way I can see this fight unfolding is with RJJ catching FMJ hard at some point, either resulting in FMJ not getting up, or being unsteady and then getting finished soon after - because RJJ put em' away whenever the hell he wanted to, and he would not only have had the ability, but the desire, to put FMJ away in his prime. Jesus, the man was an animal. Sorry, but even with all his technical skill, I don't think FMJ could stop RJJ. And even if he did manage to keep him at bay, he would lose heavily on points, a la James Toney.

[JonesJrMayweather]

RJJ was a lot faster than Mosely has ever been, had better reflexes, was more unpredictable [due to insane footspeed/work and his unbelievable ability to throw any punch from any angle] and hit a lot harder, and yet Mosely could probably have finished Floyd in round 2 if he had had the gas in the tank [let's face it, he clearly didn't - at least not on fight night]. The only way I can see this fight unfolding is with RJJ catching FMJ hard at some point, either resulting in FMJ not getting up, or being unsteady and then getting finished soon after - because RJJ put em' away whenever the hell he wanted to, and he would not only have had the ability, but the desire, to put FMJ away in his prime. Jesus, the man was an animal. Sorry, but even with all his technical skill, I don't think FMJ could stop RJJ. And even if he did manage to keep him at bay, he would lose heavily on points, a la James Toney.

Yep...Roy would hurt floyd once he landed, the rest of the night would be Jones toying with him. But in prime he would finish him...