Did we ever have a thread on Jones Vs Mayweather?

[Taeth]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.

Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.

Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.

And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.

But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...

I am a fan boy of both Roy Jones and Mayweather silly kid. The thing is I've obviously watched way more of these two then you have. Roy got hit by plenty of opponents who were far slower than this fading speed guys that Mayweather fought. The only two guys that Roy ever fought near his prime who were considered fast were Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. We both know that Montel hit Roy a fair share of times, and Roy did do well against Reggie, but Reggie after getting hurt early didn't really throw anything with conviction or meaning. We've also seen Harding, Telesco, Woods, Pazienza early, McCallum, Hopkins, Gonzalez all hit Roy with relative frequency. His % of connects against were higher than Floyd by a long shot, and we didn't see Roy keep guys who were at the level Hatton, De La Hoya, and Mosley were to landing 20% of their shots, and we never saw Roy ever have a guy as good as Marquez even smaller guys land only 12% of the time. Floyd is in a different league defensively, and whereas Roy was all speed and instinct defensively, Floyd also incorporated a large amount of technique defensively. Also let it be noted that Mosley is still is insanely quick as was Oscar's handspeed, Hatton's footspeed, and Marquez has always been able to land on everyone he had faced previously.

Roy did hurt some guys like Sosa(who shouldn't have been stopped), Johnson(who he could have stopped), and Virgill Hill who hadn't been really bothered before in their career, but we also saw guys like Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Harding, De Valle, Woods take his punches. I am not saying Roy didn't have one punch power, but so does MOsley, neither of them had Mike Tyson power, but they both had the ability to change a fight drastically with one well landed blow. You can Vargas and Mayorga were ruined if you want, but they could still take a punch, and Mosley still ko'ed Antonio Margarito who has a better chin than both of them anyways.

[JonesJrMayweather]

roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...

How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.

Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.

Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.

And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.

But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...

I am a fan boy of both Roy Jones and Mayweather silly kid. The thing is I've obviously watched way more of these two then you have. Roy got hit by plenty of opponents who were far slower than this fading speed guys that Mayweather fought. The only two guys that Roy ever fought near his prime who were considered fast were Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. We both know that Montel hit Roy a fair share of times, and Roy did do well against Reggie, but Reggie after getting hurt early didn't really throw anything with conviction or meaning. We've also seen Harding, Telesco, Woods, Pazienza early, McCallum, Hopkins, Gonzalez all hit Roy with relative frequency. His % of connects against were higher than Floyd by a long shot, and we didn't see Roy keep guys who were at the level Hatton, De La Hoya, and Mosley were to landing 20% of their shots, and we never saw Roy ever have a guy as good as Marquez even smaller guys land only 12% of the time. Floyd is in a different league defensively, and whereas Roy was all speed and instinct defensively, Floyd also incorporated a large amount of technique defensively. Also let it be noted that Mosley is still is insanely quick as was Oscar's handspeed, Hatton's footspeed, and Marquez has always been able to land on everyone he had faced previously.

Roy did hurt some guys like Sosa(who shouldn't have been stopped), Johnson(who he could have stopped), and Virgill Hill who hadn't been really bothered before in their career, but we also saw guys like Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Harding, De Valle, Woods take his punches. I am not saying Roy didn't have one punch power, but so does MOsley, neither of them had Mike Tyson power, but they both had the ability to change a fight drastically with one well landed blow. You can Vargas and Mayorga were ruined if you want, but they could still take a punch, and Mosley still ko'ed Antonio Margarito who has a better chin than both of them anyways.

First, those shots landed against roy were meaningless body shots that he'd give them once he lays against the ropes.

Second, all of those guys you named that 'took" his shots were naturally bigger men that he had to wear down first. He stopped harmon, harding, and woods the same as Shane stopped a naturally bigger margarito, It took time because they were bigger.

Shane's kayo percentage went from 94% to 74% after he moved up because he was fighting bigger men the same as RJJ's was 97% while at MW then 88% at SMW and the percentage went down again after he moved up and started fighting even bigger men.

But RJJ percentage at the starting out weight when compared to shane's starting out weight is still higher....97-94

[Taeth]

Roy allegedly fought at 154 up until a few fights before Hopkins, but there are a lot of sources that said that he was usually weighing in around 160 for fights with fixed scales. I don't know if these are accurate or not, but I can't believe he had a higher KO% than Mosley had at lightweight, they both only failed to stop 2 guys, and Mosley had more fights. Roy couldn't stop Castro or Hopkins, while Mosley failed to stop Holiday and that Oscar guy earlier in his career, but he had a lot more fights. After that Mosley jumped up 2 weight categories and fought a way higher level of competitiion than Roy simply because those guys were there for him to fight.

Roy Jones did fight bigger guys, but welterweight for Mosley was the equivalent of lhw for Roy because they both weighed in on fight roughly the same as the opponents in the division. Roy was just a short LHW, not a particularly small one, and those guys landed more than just body shots on him. Everybody gets hit in boxing, ROy included. Its just he always faced guys considerably slower than himself. Kind of like Whitaker who fought big name guys like Azumah Nelson and Julio Cesar Chavez and he would completely outbox them, but when he faced Roger Mayweather, a guy who matched his speed then he wasn't so difficult to hit.

I think guys like Roy and Whitaker do exceedingly well against almost anyone because they are just quick but so instinctive and creative, but when you have a guy who doesn't make the same mistakes they do with all those same instincts and a greater attention to detail then I believe they would be in trouble.