Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me

[JonesJrMayweather]

There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.

So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?

If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?

The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.

Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.

People need to stop being so thickle.

Guy in order to charge to someone with a crime there has to be evidence to issue the arrest warrant. What PBF camp did was the equivalent of picking a random person off the street and saying "Hey you could have killed that guy, now prove you didn't"..That's fucking stupid. PBF's camp accusations of steroid usage by PAC are unfounded allegations without any shred of evidence other than Floyd senior feeling uncomfortable about pac moving up in weight and bringing his power along with him. Therefore pac shouldn't have to agree to shit.

[JonnyFolds]

There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.

So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?

If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?




People need to stop being so thickle.

FICKLE is the word you are looking for.

I don't know if Pacquiao did something to you when you were younger, or what, but there's no reason to harbor that much resentment for a fighter.

Beating a fighter for the first time, second time, whatever... they are professional athletes. You are a fanboy, by declaring that a fighter has nothing to offer after a loss. Think about what you are saying. How about Glen Johnson? Emmanuel Augustas? Hell, Pacquiao's got a couple KO losses on his record...

WHAT IS YOUR POINT? We are trying to determine whether this is a logical fight, and you still can't get over whether Pac is taking PEDs.

Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.

And Why wouldn't we think that? It stands to reason, that someone who is willing to do something that dangerous at a life's expense is capable of committing that crime another time. Toni is NOT A VICTIM.

The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.

Pacquiao refused to take a random drug test, yes. Earlier this year, yes. But he did not have a contract for a fight, nor was there any reason why he should have to. Mayweather's camp demanded he take a drug test, under suspicion only. That is no different than me asking you to take a drug test right now.

... Yeah I am pretty sure you would say no, Right?

[JonesJrMayweather]

I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.

That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.

While I don't agree with your reasoning for why he'd be tough for manny, We are 100% in agreement on anyone thinking MArgo would be a stepping stone for Manny before he faces floyd is sadly mistaken.

I believe Margo with those long arms, height advantage, and constant pressure will be a nightmare for manny the same as Paul Williams would be. Honestly I don't see Pac beating him unless Arum pays Margo off, to keep the PBF-PAC fight as the big money fight without blemish.

[Taeth]

I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.

That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.

While I don't agree with your reasoning for why he'd be tough for manny, We are 100% in agreement on anyone thinking MArgo would be a stepping stone for Manny before he faces floyd is sadly mistaken.

I believe Margo with those long arms, height advantage, and constant pressure will be a nightmare for manny the same as Paul Williams would be. Honestly I don't see Pac beating him unless Arum pays Margo off, to keep the PBF-PAC fight as the big money fight without blemish.

But Margarito's height is only effective defensively in that most opponents need to avoid his punches and punch somebody taller than themselves. Margarito doesn't really have an effective game on the outside, all of his power, accuracy, and his chin come to play on the inside because he can take perfectly landed shots and still throw his punches as if his opponent were covering up. He throws from as many angles on the inside as Manny does on the outside and thats where Margarito breaks down opponents. On the outside he doens't ahve that much power and there is no way even with his height that he will be able to compete with Manny at distance. The thing Mosley did was that he tied Margarito up on the inside and continued to counter him easily from the outside, thats how you effectively subdue this monster. That's why Cotto was fucked when he faced Tony, because he dominated in the middle of the ring, but he basically backed up into the ropes and allowed Tony to get inside and throw combinations.

Another problem for PAcquiao potentially is he doesn't really have a punch that can constantly dictate the range of a fight. It's difficult for a southpaw to control an opponent's advances unless they have an excellent jab like WHitaker or they throw an effective counter left. Pacquiao sort of does, but not like Judah or Rigondeaux do. He doesn't really have that planted left cross that he could throw everytime someone attempts to come in on him. That's also why I don't think Pacquiao would beat Floyd because he has no way to dictate the range of that fight besides throwing a million punches, but there are always holes when you are simply throwing volumes of punches.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.

That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.

While I don't agree with your reasoning for why he'd be tough for manny, We are 100% in agreement on anyone thinking MArgo would be a stepping stone for Manny before he faces floyd is sadly mistaken.

I believe Margo with those long arms, height advantage, and constant pressure will be a nightmare for manny the same as Paul Williams would be. Honestly I don't see Pac beating him unless Arum pays Margo off, to keep the PBF-PAC fight as the big money fight without blemish.

But Margarito's height is only effective defensively in that most opponents need to avoid his punches and punch somebody taller than themselves. Margarito doesn't really have an effective game on the outside, all of his power, accuracy, and his chin come to play on the inside because he can take perfectly landed shots and still throw his punches as if his opponent were covering up. He throws from as many angles on the inside as Manny does on the outside and thats where Margarito breaks down opponents. On the outside he doens't ahve that much power and there is no way even with his height that he will be able to compete with Manny at distance. The thing Mosley did was that he tied Margarito up on the inside and continued to counter him easily from the outside, thats how you effectively subdue this monster. That's why Cotto was fucked when he faced Tony, because he dominated in the middle of the ring, but he basically backed up into the ropes and allowed Tony to get inside and throw combinations.

Another problem for PAcquiao potentially is he doesn't really have a punch that can constantly dictate the range of a fight. It's difficult for a southpaw to control an opponent's advances unless they have an excellent jab like WHitaker or they throw an effective counter left. Pacquiao sort of does, but not like Judah or Rigondeaux do. He doesn't really have that planted left cross that he could throw everytime someone attempts to come in on him. That's also why I don't think Pacquiao would beat Floyd because he has no way to dictate the range of that fight besides throwing a million punches, but there are always holes when you are simply throwing volumes of punches.

The first statement I agree and disagree, because he doesnt have the speed to cover the distance, but he will steadily walk manny down and cut off the ring. That plus manny will have to punch while dodging to get away from him. And manny's defense is less than stellar. I'd pick MArgo in this fight, but wouldn't really care if he lost....

And the second statement...you just couldn't resist adding the pbf comment...

[milmascaras1]

el terrible,

lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!

[ElTerribleMorales]

el terrible,

lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!

like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha