Vladimir Klitschko really this good or just bad contenders??

[El Kabong]

I think they get a bad rap (Wlad especially) for finding a rhythm and taking his time to dispatch of a fighter. I think HBO is fucking moronic for refusing to show Wlad-Povetkin or Wlad-Peter II. Wlad-Peter I was one of their top rated fights of the past few years (as was Vitali-Arreola) and guys like Ross Greenburg and Bert Sugar look like idiots when they say "No one cares about the heavyweights", "the heavyweights are boring", "Nobody can tell the brothers apart"....if that was the case I doubt Wlad and Vitali would be held in such high regard in Germany and the rest of Europe as well. A lot of the European based fans like to say "Americans don't like the Klitschko's just because they aren't American" and hell people said the same thing about Lennox Lewis but I never believed them until recently. I DO think a lot of guys like Sugar and Greenburg are a little sore that America has no reputable heavyweights that make the sport more popular or are easier to market.

I think history will treat the Klitschko's kindly, their records are very good, Wlad has fought anyone and everyone who is a danger in the division and after showing flaws in his style he has adapted to minimize his mistakes and really hasn't been bothered by anyone since the first Sam Peter fight.

I think it is amazing that a guy like Wladimir could have sunk so low in the division only to come back and be so dominant. There was a point in time where Wlad looked like he was going to be another Michael Grant, he was in a state of panic in the ring, he was unnerved by any retaliation and for him to come back from being so gunshy to be able to dominate any opponent that stepped in the ring with him is amazing, as most boxing fans know it usually works the other way, you don't usually go from having confidence, to losing it, to regaining it, typically once a fighter loses confidence they are finished.

[generalbulldog]

I think they get a bad rap (Wlad especially) for finding a rhythm and taking his time to dispatch of a fighter. I think HBO is fucking moronic for refusing to show Wlad-Povetkin or Wlad-Peter II. Wlad-Peter I was one of their top rated fights of the past few years (as was Vitali-Arreola) and guys like Ross Greenburg and Bert Sugar look like idiots when they say "No one cares about the heavyweights", "the heavyweights are boring", "Nobody can tell the brothers apart"....if that was the case I doubt Wlad and Vitali would be held in such high regard in Germany and the rest of Europe as well. A lot of the European based fans like to say "Americans don't like the Klitschko's just because they aren't American" and hell people said the same thing about Lennox Lewis but I never believed them until recently. I DO think a lot of guys like Sugar and Greenburg are a little sore that America has no reputable heavyweights that make the sport more popular or are easier to market.

I think history will treat the Klitschko's kindly, their records are very good, Wlad has fought anyone and everyone who is a danger in the division and after showing flaws in his style he has adapted to minimize his mistakes and really hasn't been bothered by anyone since the first Sam Peter fight.

I think it is amazing that a guy like Wladimir could have sunk so low in the division only to come back and be so dominant. There was a point in time where Wlad looked like he was going to be another Michael Grant, he was in a state of panic in the ring, he was unnerved by any retaliation and for him to come back from being so gunshy to be able to dominate any opponent that stepped in the ring with him is amazing, as most boxing fans know it usually works the other way, you don't usually go from having confidence, to losing it, to regaining it, typically once a fighter loses confidence they are finished.

I say we blame the Jews.

[El Kabong]

I say we blame the Jews.

I didn't know Bert Sugar was jewish.....doesn't really matter, but all he does is talk shit about them never gives them 1 ounce of respect and IMO that is one reason why boxing is doing poorly with fans. When the people that cover boxing talk nothing but shit then that's what the fans hear, it's what they are programed to see, and obviously it doesn't help the sport. Those guys don't have to exaggerate about the brothers but at least give them SOME respect. I think UFC is hands down better than boxing at this point in having people give credit where credit is due and guys like Joe Rogan (even though I think he's a douchebag) won't talk ill of most fighters and fights that they have.

Ross Greenburg has alienated an entire division and just in business practices I think that's a poor choice and a hasty choice.

[Paradox]

IMO, I had to really sit down and watch both of these men fight and once I did and put aside my thoughts, I realized just how good they are.

[milmascaras1]

it's a combination of wladimir being really good and his competition being really mediocre. but you can't blame the klitschko's for their bad competition. as long as they keep winning, there is nothing they can do about their lack of top caliber opponents.

however, if they were fighting in the 1970's, they would still be good but not as dominant. with muhammad ali, joe frazier, ken norton, ernie shavers, jerry quarry, george foreman, jimmy young, larry holmes and others, it would have been very difficult for the klit brothers to dominate. although because of their physical superiority, they might have won a world title at some point.