Chavez Jr vs Cotto in the works?

[milmascaras1]

it seems to amaze me how terribly senior julio cesar chavez can be so underrated! the man did incredible things that might never be duplicated, ever! not only was he a great fighter, but he dominated almost everybody he ever fought. the only times he struggled and lost was late in his career when he was fighting opponents much younger than he, or when he, at an advanced age, was going up in weight!

what chavez sr. did is truly remarkable when you consider these facts:

- overall record: 107-6-2, 86 KO's
- 3 time division champion
- 26 years, 7 months as a pro
- 27 successful title defenses (all-time best)
- 89-0-1 75 KO's BEFORE suffering first career pro loss
- 3 time division champion BEFORE suffering first career pro loss
- 23 successful title defenses BEFORE suffering first career loss
- 9 years as world champion BEFORE suffering first career loss
- fought 15 years as a pro BEFORE suffering first career loss
- 31-4-2 22 KO's in title fights (37), (all-time best)
- 16 successful title defenses as jr. welterweight champion (all-time best)
- 15-4-2 vs. world champions (current or former)
- Fought 5 hall of famers (7 total fights)

anybody who doesn't think these accomplishments are truly remarkable is either hiding under a rock or truly dislikes him.

i believe he is probably between 12-15 on the all-time p4p list. many historians have him as high as 17 with a few have him in the top 10.

[ElTerribleMorales]

it seems to amaze me how terribly senior julio cesar chavez can be so underrated! the man did incredible things that might never be duplicated, ever! not only was he a great fighter, but he dominated almost everybody he ever fought. the only times he struggled and lost was late in his career when he was fighting opponents much younger than he, or when he, at an advanced age, was going up in weight!

what chavez sr. did is truly remarkable when you consider these facts:

- overall record: 107-6-2, 86 KO's
- 3 time division champion
- 26 years, 7 months as a pro
- 27 successful title defenses (all-time best)
- 89-0-1 75 KO's BEFORE suffering first career pro loss
- 3 time division champion BEFORE suffering first career pro loss
- 23 successful title defenses BEFORE suffering first career loss
- 9 years as world champion BEFORE suffering first career loss
- fought 15 years as a pro BEFORE suffering first career loss
- 31-4-2 22 KO's in title fights (37), (all-time best)
- 16 successful title defenses as jr. welterweight champion (all-time best)
- 15-4-2 vs. world champions (current or former)
- Fought 5 hall of famers (7 total fights)

anybody who doesn't think these accomplishments are truly remarkable is either hiding under a rock or truly dislikes him.

i believe he is probably between 12-15 on the all-time p4p list. many historians have him as high as 17 with a few have him in the top 10.

who's disputing Chavez Sr.'s accomplishments? no one, we're just saying that his sons are crap, and Whitaker wasn't a bigger guy, and wasn't younger yet he whipped that ass with ease

[milmascaras1]

nobody has said on this site lately that chavez sr. is underrated but it has been said before. and as far as your comments go:

in 1993 when they fought, chavez was 31 years old, whitaker was 29 years old.

chavez sr. was 87-0, whitaker was 32-1. question: who had more wear and tear considering whitaker was a defensive genius and a pure boxer?

whitaker started his career at 134 (Lightweight) while chavez started at 120. who was the bigger man again?

[TitoFan]

it seems to amaze me how terribly senior julio cesar chavez can be so underrated! the man did incredible things that might never be duplicated, ever! not only was he a great fighter, but he dominated almost everybody he ever fought. the only times he struggled and lost was late in his career when he was fighting opponents much younger than he, or when he, at an advanced age, was going up in weight!

what chavez sr. did is truly remarkable when you consider these facts:

- overall record: 107-6-2, 86 KO's
- 3 time division champion
- 26 years, 7 months as a pro
- 27 successful title defenses (all-time best)
- 89-0-1 75 KO's BEFORE suffering first career pro loss
- 3 time division champion BEFORE suffering first career pro loss
- 23 successful title defenses BEFORE suffering first career loss
- 9 years as world champion BEFORE suffering first career loss
- fought 15 years as a pro BEFORE suffering first career loss
- 31-4-2 22 KO's in title fights (37), (all-time best)
- 16 successful title defenses as jr. welterweight champion (all-time best)
- 15-4-2 vs. world champions (current or former)
- Fought 5 hall of famers (7 total fights)

anybody who doesn't think these accomplishments are truly remarkable is either hiding under a rock or truly dislikes him.

i believe he is probably between 12-15 on the all-time p4p list. many historians have him as high as 17 with a few have him in the top 10.

JCC is an all-time great, I don't think anyone disputes that. However, I've always contended that his record is misleading. His first opponent with a decent W-L record was in his 45th fight.... 45th frigging fight! That's pretty disgraceful by today's standards. When he won his 44th fight, against a "terror" with a 1-6 record, his opponents' cumulative record stood at a paltry 205-216-20, a measly 46% winning percentage. Incredible, but true. At the twilight of his career, his desire to get to 100 wins was so damn obvious, it affected his whole outlook on boxing. He was less than graceful on his first defeat... and he went back to fighting less than stellar opposition to ensure he'd reach his beloved goal. Obviously, he's groomed Junior to follow in his footsteps. Like daddy, like son.

[Nameless]

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Chavez midway in the fight