Wladimir cracks the POUND FOR POUND Ratings

[Nameless]

Valuev destroys your argument. He is the perfect example of how a GIANT with a modicum of boxing ability can take advantage of his HUGE size to beat smaller men.

That's my new quote.

I was thinking about this the other day and Fenster is absolutely correct. Heavyweight is the only division where Wlad can have a 20lb weight advantage and it's the only division where he's likely to have a 6 inch height advantage.

In any other division he wouldn't have those advantages and he sure as hell wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.
Anyone with eyes can see that he is dominant because of his physical advantages. He reminds me of a heavyweight version of Andreas Kotelnik, only with a better jab and p4p he obviously hits harder.

I just think his dominance says more about the level of (or lack of it) competition at Heavyweight. I think if you took away his physical advantages he wouldn't really stand out, and for me that's why he wouldn't be in my top ten.

Exactly.

I think any heavyweight needs to be exceptional to rate P4P. The only thing that stands out about Wlad is his size.

He's still more than just a 6.6/6.7 HW Skel, he has a very good technique, one of the best jab and he packs load of power, biggest problem is that he doesn't have the exciting killer instinct. Anyway, seems like we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

[Fenster]

Valuev destroys your argument. He is the perfect example of how a GIANT with a modicum of boxing ability can take advantage of his HUGE size to beat smaller men.

That's my new quote.

I was thinking about this the other day and Fenster is absolutely correct. Heavyweight is the only division where Wlad can have a 20lb weight advantage and it's the only division where he's likely to have a 6 inch height advantage.

In any other division he wouldn't have those advantages and he sure as hell wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.
Anyone with eyes can see that he is dominant because of his physical advantages. He reminds me of a heavyweight version of Andreas Kotelnik, only with a better jab and p4p he obviously hits harder.

I just think his dominance says more about the level of (or lack of it) competition at Heavyweight. I think if you took away his physical advantages he wouldn't really stand out, and for me that's why he wouldn't be in my top ten.

Exactly.

I think any heavyweight needs to be exceptional to rate P4P. The only thing that stands out about Wlad is his size.

He's still more than just a 6.6/6.7 HW Skel, he has a very good technique, one of the best jab and he packs load of power, biggest problem is that he doesn't have the exciting killer instinct. Anyway, seems like we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

Skel? I am Fenster.

I agree that Wlad has good technique, a good jab, packs load of power and has no killer instinct (he has a china-chin so you can't blame him for the safety first approach) but he is also much bigger than virtually everyone he fights, hence why he is not P4P worthy.

Take away his size advantage and his skills are not anything special.

[El Kabong]

Take away his size advantage and you have a very solid boxer/puncher with big power in the left hook and right cross and a jab that does damage all fight long, decent defense, and very good ring generalship.

I think Wlad is a very skilled heavyweight because once someone gets as big as Wlad it's hard for them to retain the skills he has...he's very quick despite how big he is, he's athletic, he's powerful....the only guy you can really compare him to with size as the common factor is Lennox Lewis and I think Wlad fights in a more textbook manner than Lennox did. Meaning I think Lennox was flashier and probably improvised a bit more but Wlad sticks to his guns and he's a damn good fighter