Haye's version of why klitschko fight didn't happen

[Hornfinger]

I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.

BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.

Carry on.

I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.

I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).

But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.

My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.

Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.

Now you're just dwelling on the semantics when you're mentioning the tests. Pacquiao was 1 guy you've criticized for not fighting Mayweather and another is Amir Khan. Yet on the other hand you've defended Haye tooth and nail for pulling this stunt. Didn't you call Khan a fraud and coward for not fighting the best 140 pound fighters? But on the other hand you're the first guy to step into these kinds of threads to defend Haye for not fighting the Klits.

How about a little bit more consistency? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

No I've not defended haye. I just haven't lambasted him.

And it's not semantics at all. theres a whole world of difference between

'i'll fight you if/when the money is right'

and

'i'll only fight you if I don't have to have a steroid test so I can carry on cheating'

Haye's never turned down the klit fight because he wasn't allowed an nfair advantage in the ring.

The only common ground here is one of the fighters in question wasn't allowed by his opponant to have an unfair advantage in the ring or round the negotiating table. And you're pissed about that!?

I'm for an even playing field and a fair transparent sport. Obviously these are things that you find distastful. I don't think that's something to be proud of.

KHAN ISSUE

Yes I did. Like I said earlier theres no difference between fighting valuev, ruiz and barrett and fighting peter, arreola, briggs, tua, sosnowski, johnson, chagaev, povetkin, chambers, meehan or any other bum.

Haye didn't get KO'ed avoid a rematch and instead fight some bum for a title and instead of taking legit opposition or giving a rematch to his conquorer he looked for the easiest fights possible against non punchers.

Haye beat the legit WBA champ and then went to the negotiating table with the Klits. In my view thats a big difference. But you're going to ignore that.

[El Kabong]

Let's go step by step here and just explain to me where I get this wrong
1. Chicken Little calls out Wladimir IN PUBLIC 2008
2. Wladimir says "let's fight" and gives Chicken Little a contract
3. Chicken Little SIGNS the contract
4. Setanta goes bankrupt/The back "injury" and Chicken Little pulls out of the fight
5. Vitali offers the VERY SAME contract to Chicken Little (Fall of 2009)
6. Chicken Little declares the rematch clauses rediculous and fights Valuev
7. Wladimir calls out Chicken Little and offers a 50/50 contract (and just for the benefit of the doubt Hornfinger I'll use a qualifier) or closer to 50/50 with NO rematch clauses (2010)
8. Chicken Little is now more than likely going to fight Audley Harrison instead.

So please explain to me how you can not take several digs at Chicken Little for his actions in trying to make this fight happen. For a guy who plans to retire in about a year (2 tops) he has no sense of urgency in making this fight a reality.

Face the facts Chicken Little doesn't want the fight.

[ono]

Let's go step by step here and just explain to me where I get this wrong
1. Chicken Little calls out Wladimir IN PUBLIC 2008
2. Wladimir says "let's fight" and gives Chicken Little a contract
3. Chicken Little SIGNS the contract
4. Setanta goes bankrupt/The back "injury" and Chicken Little pulls out of the fight
5. Vitali offers the VERY SAME contract to Chicken Little (Fall of 2009)
6. Chicken Little declares the rematch clauses rediculous and fights Valuev
7. Wladimir calls out Chicken Little and offers a 50/50 contract (and just for the benefit of the doubt Hornfinger I'll use a qualifier) or closer to 50/50 with NO rematch clauses (2010)
8. Chicken Little is now more than likely going to fight Audley Harrison instead.

So please explain to me how you can not take several digs at Chicken Little for his actions in trying to make this fight happen. For a guy who plans to retire in about a year (2 tops) he has no sense of urgency in making this fight a reality.

Face the facts Chicken Little doesn't want the fight.

Of course he does. 2 more years equals probably 4 fights. Surely you should judge him after those 2 years have elapsed...

[El Kabong]

Let's go step by step here and just explain to me where I get this wrong
1. Chicken Little calls out Wladimir IN PUBLIC 2008
2. Wladimir says "let's fight" and gives Chicken Little a contract
3. Chicken Little SIGNS the contract
4. Setanta goes bankrupt/The back "injury" and Chicken Little pulls out of the fight
5. Vitali offers the VERY SAME contract to Chicken Little (Fall of 2009)
6. Chicken Little declares the rematch clauses rediculous and fights Valuev
7. Wladimir calls out Chicken Little and offers a 50/50 contract (and just for the benefit of the doubt Hornfinger I'll use a qualifier) or closer to 50/50 with NO rematch clauses (2010)
8. Chicken Little is now more than likely going to fight Audley Harrison instead.

So please explain to me how you can not take several digs at Chicken Little for his actions in trying to make this fight happen. For a guy who plans to retire in about a year (2 tops) he has no sense of urgency in making this fight a reality.

Face the facts Chicken Little doesn't want the fight.

Of course he does. 2 more years equals probably 4 fights. Surely you should judge him after those 2 years have elapsed...

#1 For Chicken Little 2 years equals 2 fights

#2 Chicken Little and his manager Henny Penny are already discussing ducking Ruslan Chagaev so I doubt he's aiming for a fight with either Klitschko.

I'll judge him RIGHT FUCKING NOW because it's been 2 years since he first called Wlad out and what's happened? Has the fight gotten closer to happening? Has Chicken Little grown a pair yet? NO he's still a little b*tch and even his (now former) fans are calling him out for it and rightfully so, they should be outraged.

[Hornfinger]

speculate speculate speculate.

i'll just wait and see what happens thanks very much.

[El Kabong]

speculate speculate speculate.

i'll just wait and see what happens thanks very much.

Yeah you'll be doing a lot of waiting ....it's not speculation, Chicken Little called Wlad out before he even got into the freaking division...you just can't (unless you're Charlie Zelenoff) talk that type of shit and then decline to fight when offered a chance....that is utter bullcrap.

[Gandalf]

The thing that bugs me most about Haye is him trying to build up his resume at HW. He fought a journeyman in Barrett, the weakest of the belt holders in Valuev (a guy even an ancient Holyfield did better against), then fought a Ruiz who is ancient and was never particularly good anyway. And now Audley Harrison? Sorry, but Haye is a joke if he wants to talk about his resume in a superior kind of way. It's an average HW resume and there are a dozen better fights to be made than Harrison.

[El Kabong]

....I just checked the Chicken Little facebook page, his "fans" aren't taking kindly to the reality of an Audley Harrison fight and even they have called the dude out for being a coward and not fighting Wladimir.

But of course there are still the diehards out there saying stuff like "Those Klitschko's just won't come to terms" and "Well he's only had a couple heavyweight fights, he needs a few more to prepare for the Klitschkos"....I think the guy is just full of shit I mean he doesn't want either Klitschko brother AND he and his trainer are already ducking Ruslan Chagaev due to the whole hepatitus issue (the same Ruslan Chagaev that Wlad fought and dominated on short notice and despite Ruslan having hepatitus).

[generalbulldog]

I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.

BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.

Carry on.

I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.

I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).

But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.

My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.

Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.

Now you're just dwelling on the semantics when you're mentioning the tests. Pacquiao was 1 guy you've criticized for not fighting Mayweather and another is Amir Khan. Yet on the other hand you've defended Haye tooth and nail for pulling this stunt. Didn't you call Khan a fraud and coward for not fighting the best 140 pound fighters? But on the other hand you're the first guy to step into these kinds of threads to defend Haye for not fighting the Klits.

How about a little bit more consistency? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

No I've not defended haye. I just haven't lambasted him.

And it's not semantics at all. theres a whole world of difference between

'i'll fight you if/when the money is right'

and

'i'll only fight you if I don't have to have a steroid test so I can carry on cheating'

Haye's never turned down the klit fight because he wasn't allowed an nfair advantage in the ring.

The only common ground here is one of the fighters in question wasn't allowed by his opponant to have an unfair advantage in the ring or round the negotiating table. And you're pissed about that!?

I'm for an even playing field and a fair transparent sport. Obviously these are things that you find distastful. I don't think that's something to be proud of.

KHAN ISSUE

Yes I did. Like I said earlier theres no difference between fighting valuev, ruiz and barrett and fighting peter, arreola, briggs, tua, sosnowski, johnson, chagaev, povetkin, chambers, meehan or any other bum.

Haye didn't get KO'ed avoid a rematch and instead fight some bum for a title and instead of taking legit opposition or giving a rematch to his conquorer he looked for the easiest fights possible against non punchers.

Haye beat the legit WBA champ and then went to the negotiating table with the Klits. In my view thats a big difference. But you're going to ignore that.

From media reports Pacquiao has accepted the Mayweather deal even supposedly up to the day of the fight on drug tests, so it's a moot point to say he doesn't want to get tested. And by the way it's a straw man argument to say I condone drug cheating in boxing.

On Khan, you can't talk shit on fighters not fighting the best and then defend Haye for doing the same thing. Sure Khan didn't rematch the guy who ko him but neither has Haye. Like I've said, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Haye is doing the same shit that Khan has, you know avoiding the top guys of his division that can beat him and taking gimme fights.

And Haye, he talked shit constantly about the Klits for 2 years. It's time to step up already.

[Hornfinger]

I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.

BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.

Carry on.

I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.

I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).

But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.

My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.

Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.

Now you're just dwelling on the semantics when you're mentioning the tests. Pacquiao was 1 guy you've criticized for not fighting Mayweather and another is Amir Khan. Yet on the other hand you've defended Haye tooth and nail for pulling this stunt. Didn't you call Khan a fraud and coward for not fighting the best 140 pound fighters? But on the other hand you're the first guy to step into these kinds of threads to defend Haye for not fighting the Klits.

How about a little bit more consistency? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

No I've not defended haye. I just haven't lambasted him.

And it's not semantics at all. theres a whole world of difference between

'i'll fight you if/when the money is right'

and

'i'll only fight you if I don't have to have a steroid test so I can carry on cheating'

Haye's never turned down the klit fight because he wasn't allowed an nfair advantage in the ring.

The only common ground here is one of the fighters in question wasn't allowed by his opponant to have an unfair advantage in the ring or round the negotiating table. And you're pissed about that!?

I'm for an even playing field and a fair transparent sport. Obviously these are things that you find distastful. I don't think that's something to be proud of.

KHAN ISSUE

Yes I did. Like I said earlier theres no difference between fighting valuev, ruiz and barrett and fighting peter, arreola, briggs, tua, sosnowski, johnson, chagaev, povetkin, chambers, meehan or any other bum.

Haye didn't get KO'ed avoid a rematch and instead fight some bum for a title and instead of taking legit opposition or giving a rematch to his conquorer he looked for the easiest fights possible against non punchers.

Haye beat the legit WBA champ and then went to the negotiating table with the Klits. In my view thats a big difference. But you're going to ignore that.

From media reports Pacquiao has accepted the Mayweather deal even supposedly up to the day of the fight on drug tests, so it's a moot point to say he doesn't want to get tested. And by the way it's a straw man argument to say I condone drug cheating in boxing.

On Khan, you can't talk shit on fighters not fighting the best and then defend Haye for doing the same thing. Sure Khan didn't rematch the guy who ko him but neither has Haye. Like I've said, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Haye is doing the same shit that Khan has, you know avoiding the top guys of his division that can beat him and taking gimme fights.

And Haye, he talked shit constantly about the Klits for 2 years. It's time to step up already.

i think you need to re read my post you replied to.