Who's next for Wladimir?

[El Kabong]

Is that a fucking joke? Apart from Adamek those are all bums. And a guy who david haye Ko'ed. audley harrison wouldn't look out of place on that list. Lyle why aren't you going mad about this?

No it was reported on boxingscene.com, Solis is no bum he might not be in the best shape but he finished "The Great" Monte Barrett in 2 rounds . I'm not mad because it's all about money HF...I mean he's got to get his bills right? Wlad has to get his money before he has this big money fight with Chicken Little because who knows what will happen after that? Wlad has no pension or retirement that boxing is going to give him...so he has to make his money.

Don't get your panties in a wad HF, #1 Chicken Little is fighting Audley soon and after that fight he probably won't fight again until this time next year #2 Wlad is THE Champion and he wants to defend his titles sooner rather than later and this being an OPTIONAL DEFENSE as a boxing fan, I'm all for the guy fighting as often as possible. Joe Louis had his bum of the month club when no one posed a threat to him, now Wlad is doing a similar thing as a boxing fan I figure that would be a good thing. He's not ducking anyone, not avoiding anyone, he just wants to fight...he's the EPITOME of a Professional. Wlad was ready for Chicken Little, Wlad was ready for Povetkin and those guys ran from him....what do you want him to do wait? That won't help the division.

Will a defense vs any of those people named mean much? Nope not at all....but if Wlad wants to fight them then it's fine by me just so long as it's not taking away chances for him to defend vs one of the guys that ran from him to begin with.

the haye hate is jealousy more than anything

i read in another thread el kabong saying hayes power isnt proven at heavyweight

Right...how many guys has he stopped at heavyweight that have never been stopped before? How many PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev in his prime) How many Top 10 PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev #1 Top 10 and #2 In his prime). Consider the fact that Chicken Little shouldn't even have the belt because it was needlessly stripped from Ruslan Chagaev....whom Wlad fought and beat on short notice.

I like how the Chicken Little fans can complain about Wlad fighting Sam Peter but never grasp that the only reason that rematch happened is because 2 heavyweight boxers ducked Wlad and so Wlad was left with no other option.

[ono]

So if you understand that Wlad wants to make some dough fighting a bum before he fights Haye, why don't you accept that Haye is doing the same thing?

[generalbulldog]

Is that a fucking joke? Apart from Adamek those are all bums. And a guy who david haye Ko'ed. audley harrison wouldn't look out of place on that list. Lyle why aren't you going mad about this?

No it was reported on boxingscene.com, Solis is no bum he might not be in the best shape but he finished "The Great" Monte Barrett in 2 rounds . I'm not mad because it's all about money HF...I mean he's got to get his bills right? Wlad has to get his money before he has this big money fight with Chicken Little because who knows what will happen after that? Wlad has no pension or retirement that boxing is going to give him...so he has to make his money.

Don't get your panties in a wad HF, #1 Chicken Little is fighting Audley soon and after that fight he probably won't fight again until this time next year #2 Wlad is THE Champion and he wants to defend his titles sooner rather than later and this being an OPTIONAL DEFENSE as a boxing fan, I'm all for the guy fighting as often as possible. Joe Louis had his bum of the month club when no one posed a threat to him, now Wlad is doing a similar thing as a boxing fan I figure that would be a good thing. He's not ducking anyone, not avoiding anyone, he just wants to fight...he's the EPITOME of a Professional. Wlad was ready for Chicken Little, Wlad was ready for Povetkin and those guys ran from him....what do you want him to do wait? That won't help the division.

Will a defense vs any of those people named mean much? Nope not at all....but if Wlad wants to fight them then it's fine by me just so long as it's not taking away chances for him to defend vs one of the guys that ran from him to begin with.

the haye hate is jealousy more than anything

i read in another thread el kabong saying hayes power isnt proven at heavyweight

Right...how many guys has he stopped at heavyweight that have never been stopped before? How many PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev in his prime) How many Top 10 PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev #1 Top 10 and #2 In his prime). Consider the fact that Chicken Little shouldn't even have the belt because it was needlessly stripped from Ruslan Chagaev....whom Wlad fought and beat on short notice.

I like how the Chicken Little fans can complain about Wlad fighting Sam Peter but never grasp that the only reason that rematch happened is because 2 heavyweight boxers ducked Wlad and so Wlad was left with no other option.

After reading all this, I am glad that the NFL season is now in full swing. At least I know the NFC and AFC champs are mandated to compete against each other in the Superbowl.


Only in boxing with 5-6 champs per division where shit like this happens.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Ruiz
Valuev
Ruiz
Haye
Ruiz
Povetkin
Ruiz
Holyfield
Ruiz

In that order

[El Kabong]

So if you understand that Wlad wants to make some dough fighting a bum before he fights Haye, why don't you accept that Haye is doing the same thing?

I was being facetious ono...Wlad has an optional defense and obviously Chicken Little is tied up for a fight right now and won't be ready in December (we can only hope he's ready in 2011) and Alexander Povetkin is "not ready" yet but Wlad wants to make an optional defense so IMO this will be more of an exhibition of skill than a challenge....even if its Adamek or Solis who are decent opposition, as decent as Chicken Little or Povetkin.

The only reasons you guys are against this is because of the 3rd and 4th choices....if Wlad fights Adamek or Solis they are worthy challengers, the only question is will they take the fight. Tua and Mormeck would just be stay busy fights and like I said exhibitions.

[ono]

So if you understand that Wlad wants to make some dough fighting a bum before he fights Haye, why don't you accept that Haye is doing the same thing?

I was being facetious ono...Wlad has an optional defense and obviously Chicken Little is tied up for a fight right now and won't be ready in December (we can only hope he's ready in 2011) and Alexander Povetkin is "not ready" yet but Wlad wants to make an optional defense so IMO this will be more of an exhibition of skill than a challenge....even if its Adamek or Solis who are decent opposition, as decent as Chicken Little or Povetkin.

The only reasons you guys are against this is because of the 3rd and 4th choices....if Wlad fights Adamek or Solis they are worthy challengers, the only question is will they take the fight. Tua and Mormeck would just be stay busy fights and like I said exhibitions.

Either way, that's still exactly the same thing as what Haye's doing.

[El Kabong]

Ono please explain that logic because the way I see it: 1. Wlad isn't ducking anyone 2. Wlad fighting in December has 0 effect on a fight vs Chicken Little (who fights roughly once a year) and 3. He's a champion looking to defend his title as often as possible....so how is that bad?

He'll TRY to fight the best opponent but there's no guarantee that the opponent will agree to fight Wlad.

Its not like he's talking a ton of shit and then fighting Audley Harrison to KEEP from fighting the best opponents. Wlad will fight in December and then Chicken Little will be ready come summer, no harm no foul, just a stay busy fight.

[Hornfinger]

Is that a fucking joke? Apart from Adamek those are all bums. And a guy who david haye Ko'ed. audley harrison wouldn't look out of place on that list. Lyle why aren't you going mad about this?

No it was reported on boxingscene.com, Solis is no bum he might not be in the best shape but he finished "The Great" Monte Barrett in 2 rounds . I'm not mad because it's all about money HF...I mean he's got to get his bills right? Wlad has to get his money before he has this big money fight with Chicken Little because who knows what will happen after that? Wlad has no pension or retirement that boxing is going to give him...so he has to make his money.

Don't get your panties in a wad HF, #1 Chicken Little is fighting Audley soon and after that fight he probably won't fight again until this time next year #2 Wlad is THE Champion and he wants to defend his titles sooner rather than later and this being an OPTIONAL DEFENSE as a boxing fan, I'm all for the guy fighting as often as possible. Joe Louis had his bum of the month club when no one posed a threat to him, now Wlad is doing a similar thing as a boxing fan I figure that would be a good thing. He's not ducking anyone, not avoiding anyone, he just wants to fight...he's the EPITOME of a Professional. Wlad was ready for Chicken Little, Wlad was ready for Povetkin and those guys ran from him....what do you want him to do wait? That won't help the division.

Will a defense vs any of those people named mean much? Nope not at all....but if Wlad wants to fight them then it's fine by me just so long as it's not taking away chances for him to defend vs one of the guys that ran from him to begin with.

the haye hate is jealousy more than anything

i read in another thread el kabong saying hayes power isnt proven at heavyweight

Right...how many guys has he stopped at heavyweight that have never been stopped before? How many PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev in his prime) How many Top 10 PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev #1 Top 10 and #2 In his prime). Consider the fact that Chicken Little shouldn't even have the belt because it was needlessly stripped from Ruslan Chagaev....whom Wlad fought and beat on short notice.

I like how the Chicken Little fans can complain about Wlad fighting Sam Peter but never grasp that the only reason that rematch happened is because 2 heavyweight boxers ducked Wlad and so Wlad was left with no other option.

Wlads allowed a 'just about the money' fight then and Haye isn't? Gotta love the hypocrissy.

[Rantcatrat]

Listen, the Klitschko's are no joke. It's a shame that Haye fans can't accept it. Wlad or Vitali have decimated the entire crop of top ten heavyweights that will get into the ring with them. Eddie Chambers, Chris Arreola, Sam Peter, Ruslan Chagaev, Tony Thompson, Sultain Ibragimov. I mean geez. There is very little left to prove. The funny thing is that the criticism that the Klitschko's receive reminds of the criticism of Floyd. They similarly employ a safety first approach to boxing. The difference is that the Klitschko's clean out entire divisions. Floyd hasn't unified one division he's fought in. You may not like their styles, but they are dominant, first-ballot HOF's. I want to see Haye fight a Klitschko just because it will give them a chance to put to rest any criticism.

And there is no excuse for Haye. Two offers to fight the best and then he chooses Audley Harrison? Harrison wouldn't even make the above list for the Klitschko's.

Lyle, the only thing I disagree with is regarding Povetkin. I mean the guy only has 19 professional fights. Klitschko has what 58? He is a little green for a fight with one of them. And it's not like the Klitschko's are going anywhere.

Outside of Haye and Povetkin, Adamek is the only guy out there who will actually fight the Klitschko's and has a chance, albeit small, of putting up some resistance.

[El Kabong]

HF are you dense? #1 The whole "money fight" thing was sarcasm #2 Wlad fighting in December has 0 effect on a fight vs Chicken Little.

Unlike Chicken Little Wlad hasn't run off at the mouth to anyone he isn't willing to fight.

[erics44]

Right...how many guys has he stopped at heavyweight that have never been stopped before? How many PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev in his prime) How many Top 10 PRIME heavyweights has he fought? (maybe 1 if you consider Valuev #1 Top 10 and #2 In his prime). Consider the fact that Chicken Little shouldn't even have the belt because it was needlessly stripped from Ruslan Chagaev....whom Wlad fought and beat on short notice.

I like how the Chicken Little fans can complain about Wlad fighting Sam Peter but never grasp that the only reason that rematch happened is because 2 heavyweight boxers ducked Wlad and so Wlad was left with no other option.

he has stopped every heavyweight he has fought appart from valuev

ruiz had been stopped before but not for a long time and i would say that valuev probably has one of the best chins in heavyweight boxing and haye shook him up in the last round with one punch

i agree with you on one point, haye perhaps shouldnt be the champ coz i dont think he beat valuev, but theres no questioning his power

why do you hate him so much? would you honestly prefer the klits as the champs? I am english and a haye fan so perhaps i am biast but the heavyweight scene has never been as dull as it is now for as long as i remember

i disagree with people who say the heavyweights out there now are no good, i just think there are no rivalries forming between exciting fighters because noone can get anywhere near the klits

they are extremely good fighters, probably the most affective heavyweights in history, i think theyd have beaten ali, tyson, holmes, etc, but they couldnt be anymore boring

at least haye brings a bit of excitement

[generalbulldog]

Speaking of which, usually when there is a debate about Wlad and Haye, Kirkland Laing usually goes at it with Lyle. I sure wonder where he is?

[0james0]

Lyle- Whats your views on this?

Out of interest, what are your views on what Haye has said around his fight with Vitali?

Is that simply being dismissed as all lies? (the fact they shook hands on an arrangment and then when the contract arrived it was different)

Just want to know what peoples thoughts are on it. I know money or anything shouldn't be an issue, we all agree Haye should be taking the fight anywhere, local park, anywhere. But he obviously has clauses he feels strongly about like 3 rematches. So if he's not lying, he does have a bit of a point.

I don't think the K's are completley innocent. The vids make me wonder even more.

[El Kabong]

As far as I've heard the deal he signed to fight Wlad and the deal he was offered and agreed to with Vitali were roughly the same and only the rematches seemed to bother him before he won the WBA title.

[Hornfinger]

HF are you dense? #1 The whole "money fight" thing was sarcasm #2 Wlad fighting in December has 0 effect on a fight vs Chicken Little.

Unlike Chicken Little Wlad hasn't run off at the mouth to anyone he isn't willing to fight.

I don't care your still a hypocrit. Wlad is boxing shite opponants, but your fine with that cuz it's wlad and you have your nose up his arse.