Who's next for Wladimir?

[Hornfinger]

[QUOTE=El Kabong;903399][QUOTE=Hornfinger;903396]

Well peter is pretty shit

Areola, fat and crap.

Thompson

Chambers

Moli


Even Corey Sanders was meant to be an easy ass fight on paper it just backfired.

#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.

#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.

Bullshit.

[amat]

[Rantcatrat]

[QUOTE=Hornfinger;903431][QUOTE=El Kabong;903399]

Well peter is pretty shit

Areola, fat and crap.

Thompson

Chambers

Moli


Even Corey Sanders was meant to be an easy ass fight on paper it just backfired.

#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.

#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.

Bullshit.

Horn. They would all beat Audley. Every one of them. And all would be better fights against Haye than Audley by a ton. Where is Audley ranked right now? Where were those guys ranked when Wlad fought them?

[ono]

[QUOTE=Rantcatrat;903438][QUOTE=Hornfinger;903431]

Well peter is pretty shit

Areola, fat and crap.

Thompson

Chambers

Moli


Even Corey Sanders was meant to be an easy ass fight on paper it just backfired.

#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.

#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.

Bullshit.

Horn. They would all beat Audley. Every one of them. And all would be better fights against Haye than Audley by a ton. Where is Audley ranked right now? Where were those guys ranked when Wlad fought them?

I disagree, i think Audley would beat Peter, like he did in the amateurs. You could make a case for Audley beating all of those. Of course you could make a case for them all beating him. What you have to decide is which is worse...

A) - Haye fighting Audley, after fighting Ruiz and after travelling to fight Valuev

or B) - Wlad Peter (despite already beating him fairly easily), Chambers, Chagaev, Rahman, Thompson

In all honesty there's little in it. So it's hypocritical to call Haye for taking on an 'easy' fight when Wlad's recent resume is a who's who of decidedly average heavyweights.

[El Kabong]

I disagree, i think Audley would beat Peter, like he did in the amateurs. You could make a case for Audley beating all of those. Of course you could make a case for them all beating him. What you have to decide is which is worse...

A) - Haye fighting Audley, after fighting Ruiz and after travelling to fight Valuev

or B) - Wlad Peter (despite already beating him fairly easily), Chambers, Chagaev, Rahman, Thompson

In all honesty there's little in it. So it's hypocritical to call Haye for taking on an 'easy' fight when Wlad's recent resume is a who's who of decidedly average heavyweights.

Even after this loss I doubt Sam Peter loses to Audley....look at their ages Sam Peter 30, Audley Harrison 38...8 years doesn't seem like much now, but 20 vs 28 is a HUGE difference.

Everyone in A) was protected except Audley who just plain sucks. Chagaev (undefeated), Chambers (undefeated), Thompson (underrated), and Sam Peter was the mandatory after the #1 Contender backed out, and the best part Wladimir stopped them all even the ones that had never been stopped or even beaten before.....so I can't see how anyone can defend group A.

[generalbulldog]

I have to add 1 thing. Just because fighter A beats fighter B in the amateurs doesn't mean he does it in the pros. Henry Tillman for example, he beat both Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson in the amateurs, then got ko by both in the pro game. Pros and amateurs are entirely different scenarios.

[El Kabong]

Also it needs to be stated Wladimir right now has 9 consecutive title defenses, which is tied with Mike Tyson at the moment...so 3-4 more years 2-3 fights a year, 20 consecutive title defenses isn't out of reach.

[generalbulldog]

Also it needs to be stated Wladimir right now has 9 consecutive title defenses, which is tied with Mike Tyson at the moment...so 3-4 more years 2-3 fights a year, 20 consecutive title defenses isn't out of reach.

I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.

Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.

[ono]

I disagree, i think Audley would beat Peter, like he did in the amateurs. You could make a case for Audley beating all of those. Of course you could make a case for them all beating him. What you have to decide is which is worse...

A) - Haye fighting Audley, after fighting Ruiz and after travelling to fight Valuev

or B) - Wlad Peter (despite already beating him fairly easily), Chambers, Chagaev, Rahman, Thompson

In all honesty there's little in it. So it's hypocritical to call Haye for taking on an 'easy' fight when Wlad's recent resume is a who's who of decidedly average heavyweights.

Even after this loss I doubt Sam Peter loses to Audley....look at their ages Sam Peter 30, Audley Harrison 38...8 years doesn't seem like much now, but 20 vs 28 is a HUGE difference.

Everyone in A) was protected except Audley who just plain sucks. Chagaev (undefeated), Chambers (undefeated), Thompson (underrated), and Sam Peter was the mandatory after the #1 Contender backed out, and the best part Wladimir stopped them all even the ones that had never been stopped or even beaten before.....so I can't see how anyone can defend group A.

Chagaev might have been undefeated but his best wins were struggles over Valuev and Ruiz. The very same fighters you are discrediting in the beginning of your argument. His opponents either side of those great victories were Michael Sprott and Matt Skelton. Skelton actually did alright against him funnily enough.

Chambers wasn't undefeated. He'd already lost by the time he fought Wlad. Besides he hadn't clearly won a fight since beating Cisse Salif. I'm not even sure what's under-rated about Tony Thompson. He spent the entire fight with Wlad looking for a way out, but then somehow got applauded for his efforts and heart.

Oddly enough, Harrison will have been around 28 when he fought Peter in the amateurs. Maybe a year or so younger and he pretty much boxed circles round him. Granted they'd have to be very large circles, but still he managed it. Granted it was only the amateurs and it was a long time ago, but it supports the theory that Harrison could hang quite well with Peter....which imo he could, easily.

[Hornfinger]

[QUOTE=Rantcatrat;903438][QUOTE=Hornfinger;903431]

Well peter is pretty shit

Areola, fat and crap.

Thompson

Chambers

Moli


Even Corey Sanders was meant to be an easy ass fight on paper it just backfired.

#1 Wlad didn't defend any title vs Moli, he didn't have a title at that time. It was a comeback fight after the Sanders loss.

#2 All those guys would beat or be competitive vs Chicken Little much less Audley.

Bullshit.

Horn. They would all beat Audley. Every one of them. And all would be better fights against Haye than Audley by a ton. Where is Audley ranked right now? Where were those guys ranked when Wlad fought them?

I disagree those guys are just as shit as audley harrison, I also find it funny that after all the threads damning the alphabet title organizations all of a sudden you want to start taking their rankings seriously.

[El Kabong]

I disagree those guys are just as shit as audley harrison, I also find it funny that after all the threads damning the alphabet title organizations all of a sudden you want to start taking their rankings seriously.

You can disagree and that's your OPINION, but the FACT is that they are better than Audley and they would challenge Chicken Little more than anyone he's faced in the division thus far.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree those guys are just as shit as audley harrison, I also find it funny that after all the threads damning the alphabet title organizations all of a sudden you want to start taking their rankings seriously.

You can disagree and that's your OPINION, but the FACT is that they are better than Audley and they would challenge Chicken Little more than anyone he's faced in the division thus far.

please don't pass your biased opinion off as fact.

[El Kabong]

please don't pass your biased opinion off as fact.

OK... let's look at these fighters compared to Audley Harrison

Audley has lost to: Danny Williams, Dominick Guinn, Michael Sprott, and Martin Rogan

Tony Thompson BEAT Dominick Guinn, he beat him easily, Thompson has only lost to Wlad and some dude in his 5th pro fight but he's beaten: Guinn, Timor Ibragimov, and he stopped Luan Krasniqi...those aren't great names but they are better than anyone Audley has beaten.

Eddie Chambers despite being tiny for a heavyweight has only lost twice once vs Wladimir and once vs Povetkin...and big props to him for having the balls to fight both of those guys to begin with.

Cris Arreola is fat and lazy but he's a dangerous fighter (at least when he fought Vitali he was). He's lost to Vitali and Adamek but he's easily beaten better fighters than Audley

[Hornfinger]

please don't pass your biased opinion off as fact.

OK... let's look at these fighters compared to Audley Harrison

Audley has lost to: Danny Williams, Dominick Guinn, Michael Sprott, and Martin Rogan

Tony Thompson BEAT Dominick Guinn, he beat him easily, Thompson has only lost to Wlad and some dude in his 5th pro fight but he's beaten: Guinn, Timor Ibragimov, and he stopped Luan Krasniqi...those aren't great names but they are better than anyone Audley has beaten.

Eddie Chambers despite being tiny for a heavyweight has only lost twice once vs Wladimir and once vs Povetkin...and big props to him for having the balls to fight both of those guys to begin with.

Cris Arreola is fat and lazy but he's a dangerous fighter (at least when he fought Vitali he was). He's lost to Vitali and Adamek but he's easily beaten better fighters than Audley

Kenny norton beat Muhammed Ali, So really your saying Norton should be heralded as 'the GOAT'

i think you'll also find that aud beat both williams and sprott in rematches. But thats beside the point. Aud's shit but so is tony thompson and eddie chambers and arreola, doesn't matter how much you try to tart them up. You can't polish a turd.