Who's next for Wladimir?

[El Kabong]

Also it needs to be stated Wladimir right now has 9 consecutive title defenses, which is tied with Mike Tyson at the moment...so 3-4 more years 2-3 fights a year, 20 consecutive title defenses isn't out of reach.

[generalbulldog]

Also it needs to be stated Wladimir right now has 9 consecutive title defenses, which is tied with Mike Tyson at the moment...so 3-4 more years 2-3 fights a year, 20 consecutive title defenses isn't out of reach.

I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.

Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.

[El Kabong]

I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.

Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.

OK so what are we not counting yet? Or do we start when Wlad beat Sultan? Do we start when Wlad beat Chagaev?

ono....fine whatever you say, without fighting ANYONE Chicken Little and now Audley Harrison could beat EVERYONE....fucking comical how that works out. Who beat these guys before Wlad? Who stopped them? Who dominated them? You know why Ruiz and Valuev never fought Wlad? Because Don King knew they would lose and Don King had no piece of Wladimir and wasn't going to have a piece of them and so he chose not to put his fighters in with guys that would beat them.

[generalbulldog]

I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.

Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.

OK so what are we not counting yet? Or do we start when Wlad beat Sultan? Do we start when Wlad beat Chagaev?

ono....fine whatever you say, without fighting ANYONE Chicken Little and now Audley Harrison could beat EVERYONE....fucking comical how that works out. Who beat these guys before Wlad? Who stopped them? Who dominated them? You know why Ruiz and Valuev never fought Wlad? Because Don King knew they would lose and Don King had no piece of Wladimir and wasn't going to have a piece of them and so he chose not to put his fighters in with guys that would beat them.

The point is title "defenses" today are almost meaningless unless one is the universal champ of the division because of the 4 champs per division. When Louis or Ali were HW champs, it wasn't even disputed, although the WBA did strip it's portion of the title from Ali when he beat Liston the 1st time, Ali was still recognized as the universal champ from boxing circles and the public.

So the question needs to be asked, when was Wlad recognized as the universal champ? And start counting his defenses from there.

ANd people need to stop bringing up performances that 1 fighter did to another in the amateurs, it doesn't mean jack in the pro game. By that logic Tillman should have beaten Tyson and Holyfield easily because he beat them in the amateurs, but reality was he got brutally knockout by both in the pros.

[armin]

I think you guys that are defending wlad just need to give up, its obvious haye is the heavyweight savior and we should be in awe of his powers. All opponents that wlad has fought have been shit and not basically the top rated at the time, every opponent he has ever fought have been handpicked bums and however long it took wlad to beat them, haye would have done it in a round...

[El Kabong]

One would hope that even Audley Harrison could beat that version of Danny Williams in the rematch. As for Sprott, nice "Hail Mary" punch that landed....I'd love to see that vs Chicken Little

[El Kabong]

Right HF, Chicken Little would KO this Ali guy faster than he'll KO Audley Harrison!

[L time]

I think at some point Harrison will hit Haye on that weak chin, and its over!

[El Kabong]

I think at some point Harrison will hit Haye on that weak chin, and its over!

...I don't know what my feelings would be if that actually happened, I don't think it will happen because Harrison is massively outclassed in this fight, he's got a big punch but he's fighting someone with quicker hands and he might hesitate and get picked off.


So more fighters are putting their names in the hat for a fight vs Wladimir in December, Tony Thompson said he wants a rematch....he hasn't done much since the last fight and I think he's still dangerous because he has very solid defense and a good chin but the people have seen that fight already. If Wlad can't get Adamek then I suggest Solis or even Dimitrenko. Solis is a little green as a pro, but he's a big time puncher (just wish he fought more often he's 30 years old and only 16(12KO)-0-0), Dimitrenko is very weak and shouldn't pose any problem, so I'm not thrilled about that possibility. Boytsov's name has come up a lot, I would just hate to see that dude get blasted, but he's as game a fighter as you're liable to see in the division these days. David Tua is somehow ranked #2 by the WBO (no joke, I wish it was one though) and Tua has never been KO'd before although IMO that kind of aura of his granite chin has gone by the wayside now that Monte Barrett put him down, Two Guns ain't exactly Earnie Shavers. It would be impressive to see Wlad (or anyone else) KO Tua, but just not as impressive as it would have been say 10 years ago....or when Savon did it, WOW!

Having a "stay busy" fight is OK since this will be an optional defense, but I would rather Wlad fight a worthwhile meaningful fight and right now I'm figuring they are going to go great guns to get Adamek who is supposed to fight Maddalone in Atlantic City, but you have to figure a fight vs Wlad means way more money and HBO has said "That's a fight we want to show", so I'm hoping that gets made, and if not that then Solis. Those are the only meaningful fights out there right now IMO (Povetkin is fighting someone else, Chicken Little is fighting Audley, and Valuev is recovering from surgery).

[amat]

Ono Audley has the talent to beat Peter for sure but he has done NOTHING as a pro to make anyone believe he would actually do so. With Thompson, Chambers and Chagaev, it's not even a question if they beat Audley imo. Raw talent isn't everyone, you have to be there mentally and Audley has never been there.

[ono]

I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.

Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.

OK so what are we not counting yet? Or do we start when Wlad beat Sultan? Do we start when Wlad beat Chagaev?

ono....fine whatever you say, without fighting ANYONE Chicken Little and now Audley Harrison could beat EVERYONE....fucking comical how that works out. Who beat these guys before Wlad? Who stopped them? Who dominated them? You know why Ruiz and Valuev never fought Wlad? Because Don King knew they would lose and Don King had no piece of Wladimir and wasn't going to have a piece of them and so he chose not to put his fighters in with guys that would beat them.

I never said either of them could beat anyone. I said you could make a case for Harrison beating Peter, as you could for him beating Thompson and Chambers. I also said you could make a case for him losing against all 3. The reason i said this, is because the difference in quality between all 4 fighters seriously isn't that great, and i believe Harrison is a more dangerous opponent for Haye, than any of the above 3 are for Wlad.

[amat]

Eh I guess we're just going to disagree then on everything but your last point. Of course there is a case to be made for Harrison beating those guys but it would be a huge upset imo. I mean none of those guys are going to be losing to Dominic Guinn or Michael Sprott anytime soon, just don't think Audley is mentally capable of beating a top 20 heavyweight.

I will say though that because he at least has a size advantage that he is more dangerous to Haye then any of those guys were to Wlad. That's because he has a size advantage only though. No way he wins though.