Who's next for Wladimir?

[generalbulldog]

I think title defenses should only count when they are recognized as the universal champ or lineal champ. Tyson only has 3 or 4 as the recognized 'man' in the division. Quite a few people out there don't recognize him as being the youngest champ over Patterson or that Tyson was not really champ until he beat the lineal champ in Spinks.

Wlad could get to 25 title defenses for his ABC straps and it would not be recognized as great as Joe Louis 25 title defenses. And I don't even need to get into the reason why, especially in a era of 4 champs per division by the ABCs.

OK so what are we not counting yet? Or do we start when Wlad beat Sultan? Do we start when Wlad beat Chagaev?

ono....fine whatever you say, without fighting ANYONE Chicken Little and now Audley Harrison could beat EVERYONE....fucking comical how that works out. Who beat these guys before Wlad? Who stopped them? Who dominated them? You know why Ruiz and Valuev never fought Wlad? Because Don King knew they would lose and Don King had no piece of Wladimir and wasn't going to have a piece of them and so he chose not to put his fighters in with guys that would beat them.

The point is title "defenses" today are almost meaningless unless one is the universal champ of the division because of the 4 champs per division. When Louis or Ali were HW champs, it wasn't even disputed, although the WBA did strip it's portion of the title from Ali when he beat Liston the 1st time, Ali was still recognized as the universal champ from boxing circles and the public.

So the question needs to be asked, when was Wlad recognized as the universal champ? And start counting his defenses from there.

ANd people need to stop bringing up performances that 1 fighter did to another in the amateurs, it doesn't mean jack in the pro game. By that logic Tillman should have beaten Tyson and Holyfield easily because he beat them in the amateurs, but reality was he got brutally knockout by both in the pros.

[armin]

I think you guys that are defending wlad just need to give up, its obvious haye is the heavyweight savior and we should be in awe of his powers. All opponents that wlad has fought have been shit and not basically the top rated at the time, every opponent he has ever fought have been handpicked bums and however long it took wlad to beat them, haye would have done it in a round...

[El Kabong]

One would hope that even Audley Harrison could beat that version of Danny Williams in the rematch. As for Sprott, nice "Hail Mary" punch that landed....I'd love to see that vs Chicken Little

[El Kabong]

Right HF, Chicken Little would KO this Ali guy faster than he'll KO Audley Harrison!

[L time]

I think at some point Harrison will hit Haye on that weak chin, and its over!

[El Kabong]

I think at some point Harrison will hit Haye on that weak chin, and its over!

...I don't know what my feelings would be if that actually happened, I don't think it will happen because Harrison is massively outclassed in this fight, he's got a big punch but he's fighting someone with quicker hands and he might hesitate and get picked off.


So more fighters are putting their names in the hat for a fight vs Wladimir in December, Tony Thompson said he wants a rematch....he hasn't done much since the last fight and I think he's still dangerous because he has very solid defense and a good chin but the people have seen that fight already. If Wlad can't get Adamek then I suggest Solis or even Dimitrenko. Solis is a little green as a pro, but he's a big time puncher (just wish he fought more often he's 30 years old and only 16(12KO)-0-0), Dimitrenko is very weak and shouldn't pose any problem, so I'm not thrilled about that possibility. Boytsov's name has come up a lot, I would just hate to see that dude get blasted, but he's as game a fighter as you're liable to see in the division these days. David Tua is somehow ranked #2 by the WBO (no joke, I wish it was one though) and Tua has never been KO'd before although IMO that kind of aura of his granite chin has gone by the wayside now that Monte Barrett put him down, Two Guns ain't exactly Earnie Shavers. It would be impressive to see Wlad (or anyone else) KO Tua, but just not as impressive as it would have been say 10 years ago....or when Savon did it, WOW!

Having a "stay busy" fight is OK since this will be an optional defense, but I would rather Wlad fight a worthwhile meaningful fight and right now I'm figuring they are going to go great guns to get Adamek who is supposed to fight Maddalone in Atlantic City, but you have to figure a fight vs Wlad means way more money and HBO has said "That's a fight we want to show", so I'm hoping that gets made, and if not that then Solis. Those are the only meaningful fights out there right now IMO (Povetkin is fighting someone else, Chicken Little is fighting Audley, and Valuev is recovering from surgery).

[armin]

Man I got to say I hope it's not adamek. Dude is a warrior and just great fun to watch and it's funny seeing him in there with these huge dudes. I just don't see how he has a chance tho. He doesn't have enough pop, and while hes skilled enough to outbox most opponents at heavy he won't be able to do it with either klitschko. Altho doesn't matter if he looses I'll still be watching him.

[El Kabong]

Adamek is a warrior, I don't know of anyone outside of MAYBE Chad Dawson that doesn't respect the dude...but he's made a name for himself and it wouldn't be right for him to not follow through with what he intended to do. Hey, at least he'll get paid like a champ

[Majesty]

I think at some point Harrison will hit Haye on that weak chin, and its over!

...I don't know what my feelings would be if that actually happened, I don't think it will happen because Harrison is massively outclassed in this fight, he's got a big punch but he's fighting someone with quicker hands and he might hesitate and get picked off.


So more fighters are putting their names in the hat for a fight vs Wladimir in December, Tony Thompson said he wants a rematch....he hasn't done much since the last fight and I think he's still dangerous because he has very solid defense and a good chin but the people have seen that fight already. If Wlad can't get Adamek then I suggest Solis or even Dimitrenko. Solis is a little green as a pro, but he's a big time puncher (just wish he fought more often he's 30 years old and only 16(12KO)-0-0), Dimitrenko is very weak and shouldn't pose any problem, so I'm not thrilled about that possibility. Boytsov's name has come up a lot, I would just hate to see that dude get blasted, but he's as game a fighter as you're liable to see in the division these days. David Tua is somehow ranked #2 by the WBO (no joke, I wish it was one though) and Tua has never been KO'd before although IMO that kind of aura of his granite chin has gone by the wayside now that Monte Barrett put him down, Two Guns ain't exactly Earnie Shavers. It would be impressive to see Wlad (or anyone else) KO Tua, but just not as impressive as it would have been say 10 years ago....or when Savon did it, WOW!

Having a "stay busy" fight is OK since this will be an optional defense, but I would rather Wlad fight a worthwhile meaningful fight and right now I'm figuring they are going to go great guns to get Adamek who is supposed to fight Maddalone in Atlantic City, but you have to figure a fight vs Wlad means way more money and HBO has said "That's a fight we want to show", so I'm hoping that gets made, and if not that then Solis. Those are the only meaningful fights out there right now IMO (Povetkin is fighting someone else, Chicken Little is fighting Audley, and Valuev is recovering from surgery).

Solis seems another Arreola/Peter in the making. Great natural talent, not enough discipline to come in shape. And at 30 he can't count on his talent so much that he can afford to not show up in shape.

[El Kabong]

Solis seems another Arreola/Peter in the making. Great natural talent, not enough discipline to come in shape. And at 30 he can't count on his talent so much that he can afford to not show up in shape.

I agree, but he's still a dangerous fighter...perhaps not so dangerous to Wlad as he would be to others in the division on account of some history they have in the amateurs, but never the less it's always nice to dish out the first loss of someone's pro career.

[generalbulldog]

What next for Wlad?

Probably a threesome with him, Hayden and this midget again.

[Kev]

I think at some point Harrison will hit Haye on that weak chin, and its over!

...I don't know what my feelings would be if that actually happened, I don't think it will happen because Harrison is massively outclassed in this fight, he's got a big punch but he's fighting someone with quicker hands and he might hesitate and get picked off.


So more fighters are putting their names in the hat for a fight vs Wladimir in December, Tony Thompson said he wants a rematch....he hasn't done much since the last fight and I think he's still dangerous because he has very solid defense and a good chin but the people have seen that fight already. If Wlad can't get Adamek then I suggest Solis or even Dimitrenko. Solis is a little green as a pro, but he's a big time puncher (just wish he fought more often he's 30 years old and only 16(12KO)-0-0), Dimitrenko is very weak and shouldn't pose any problem, so I'm not thrilled about that possibility. Boytsov's name has come up a lot, I would just hate to see that dude get blasted, but he's as game a fighter as you're liable to see in the division these days. David Tua is somehow ranked #2 by the WBO (no joke, I wish it was one though) and Tua has never been KO'd before although IMO that kind of aura of his granite chin has gone by the wayside now that Monte Barrett put him down, Two Guns ain't exactly Earnie Shavers. It would be impressive to see Wlad (or anyone else) KO Tua, but just not as impressive as it would have been say 10 years ago....or when Savon did it, WOW!

Having a "stay busy" fight is OK since this will be an optional defense, but I would rather Wlad fight a worthwhile meaningful fight and right now I'm figuring they are going to go great guns to get Adamek who is supposed to fight Maddalone in Atlantic City, but you have to figure a fight vs Wlad means way more money and HBO has said "That's a fight we want to show", so I'm hoping that gets made, and if not that then Solis. Those are the only meaningful fights out there right now IMO (Povetkin is fighting someone else, Chicken Little is fighting Audley, and Valuev is recovering from surgery).

Solis seems another Arreola/Peter in the making. Great natural talent, not enough discipline to come in shape. And at 30 he can't count on his talent so much that he can afford to not show up in shape.

Solis is leaps and bounds ahead of Peter and Arreola in terms of skills. He's been annoyingly inactive this year, only one fight so far, but for me he's the best opponent out there.

In my opinion he brutalises David Haye, I WISH that fight would get made, Solis takes him out inside 8 rounds imo. Watch the way he fought Monte Barrett compared to how Haye did. Solis is a bully, he's imposing, he's vicious. Haye for all his power just kind of stands and boxes with fighters, trading punches. Solis just walks through them and bowls them out.

Solis would scare the shit out of Wlad imo and put him down several times in the fight.

Yes I'm heavily biased as he's long been my fave heavy but I do see him as the only credible opponent.

He'll prove himself when he eventually steps up, you'll see.

oh, and this may sound nuts, but I reckon David Haye loses to Derek Chisora.

I'm expecting Del Boy to spark Sam Sexton this weekend and then get the winner of Haye Harrison in 2011.

[Galaxy]

I think he'll fight either Tua or a Thompson rematch next, unless he decides to wait for Admake or Haye... Whatever happens its another KO for him imo