America is an illegal and racist country much like Israel

[El Kabong]

...A video game caused this rant. Perhaps Michael Moore also plays too much PS3

...along with Rush Limbo.

Rush loves America...never heard him run it down like Moore does.

I'm just waiting for miles to play "The Sims" or better yet some old school game like "Zelda", "Q*Bert", "Super Mario Bros", or "Sonic The Hedgehog" so he can spew out more crap about elitists and the Jews.

[CFH]

...A video game caused this rant. Perhaps Michael Moore also plays too much PS3

...along with Rush Limbo.

Rush loves America...never heard him run it down like Moore does.

I'm just waiting for miles to play "The Sims" or better yet some old school game like "Zelda", "Q*Bert", "Super Mario Bros", or "Sonic The Hedgehog" so he can spew out more crap about elitists and the Jews.

I'm not fan of Michael Moore, but I would argue that you can love something and still point out it's flaws if you're doing so in order to effect change.

I'm trying to find a way to connect Q-Bert to the Jews, but I'm failing miserably .

[El Kabong]

...A video game caused this rant. Perhaps Michael Moore also plays too much PS3

...along with Rush Limbo.

Rush loves America...never heard him run it down like Moore does.

I'm just waiting for miles to play "The Sims" or better yet some old school game like "Zelda", "Q*Bert", "Super Mario Bros", or "Sonic The Hedgehog" so he can spew out more crap about elitists and the Jews.

I'm not fan of Michael Moore, but I would argue that you can love something and still point out it's flaws if you're doing so in order to effect change.

I'm trying to find a way to connect Q-Bert to the Jews, but I'm failing miserably .

#1 Very true, but Michael Moore is a fat douchebag that hates America

#2 I just listed random video games, hope that helps. Did you connect any of the other ones with the Jews? And it's not Q-Bert it's Q*bert.....there's a big fucking difference dude.

[CFH]

...A video game caused this rant. Perhaps Michael Moore also plays too much PS3

...along with Rush Limbo.

Rush loves America...never heard him run it down like Moore does.

I'm just waiting for miles to play "The Sims" or better yet some old school game like "Zelda", "Q*Bert", "Super Mario Bros", or "Sonic The Hedgehog" so he can spew out more crap about elitists and the Jews.

I'm not fan of Michael Moore, but I would argue that you can love something and still point out it's flaws if you're doing so in order to effect change.

I'm trying to find a way to connect Q-Bert to the Jews, but I'm failing miserably .

#1 Very true, but Michael Moore is a fat douchebag that hates America

#2 I just listed random video games, hope that helps. Did you connect any of the other ones with the Jews? And it's not Q-Bert it's Q*bert.....there's a big fucking difference dude.

#1. I don't think Moore necessarily hates the United States, if he did he would have left a long time ago. I think he probably see's himself as some kind of patriot to be honest.

#2. I know you were just randomly listing video games, but I desperately wanted to make Q*bert out to be some kind of Zionist, but, again, I got nothing.

[El Kabong]

#1. I don't think Moore necessarily hates the United States, if he did he would have left a long time ago. I think he probably see's himself as some kind of patriot to be honest.

#2. I know you were just randomly listing video games, but I desperately wanted to make Q*bert out to be some kind of Zionist, but, again, I got nothing.

#1. Michael Moore hates America of that I am sure, but he apparently likes Freedom of Speech and fast food, so where else can he go? He also loves the other people that hate America, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, etc etc

#2. Q*bert steals land from Coily (the snake that bounces like a spring), Slick and Sam.....and the most damning evidence of all is Q*bert's nose [Note to Mods, I was only trying to help CFH see a connection and this is in jest, so I'll just leave it at that]


And yes miles I called you a fucking hippy because if you're so worried about the oppressed and if you don't want ANYONE to be oppressed and everyone to live peacefully together then that's what you are a dirty fucking hippy. If you're not that then you're just some nutjob socialist that doesn't like Q*bert!

[Gandalf]

To be honest, I don't like the aggressive tone of your language there, Lyle. "Fucking hippy"..."dirty fucking hippy"...."nutjob socialist"....

I don't use that kind of language or condescending tone with you so please don't do it with me. I attack political systems and use logic and reason to express my ideas. What you are doing here is resorting to base insults on a personal level and I don't think that is called for.

Even when we disagree, long time posters have a duty to adhere to a certain code of conduct. I could very easily stoop to that level and choose not to as well, but I don't. I ask you to do the same.

If you want to debate anything, then for sure let's do that, but let's not degenerate into plain filth or personal attacks on one another.

[Gandalf]

And now that the brush of 'fucking hippy' is on my mind, I will add a few thoughts. I am a human being who believes that other human beings have an obligation to treat other human beings with respect. That means power brokers have a responsibility to not abuse their power and to try and create a just society. To that extent I certainly believe in measures such as tax redistribution, free health care for all and the right to a decent education. Those kinds of thoughts are not radical and far from the values of some hippy with dreams of utopia (and I really hate pot too!). I also don't think it is above governments to act with some level of decency. This means America should not invade nations arbitrarily, Britain should do likewise and Israel shouldn't build settlements on occupied lands. These are not revolutionary pie in the sky values to have.

I mean seriously Lyle, do you not at least agree with the final points in bold above? Are they so hippy dippy?

[El Kabong]

To be honest, I don't like the aggressive tone of your language there, Lyle. "Fucking hippy"..."dirty fucking hippy"...."nutjob socialist"....

I don't use that kind of language or condescending tone with you so please don't do it with me. I attack political systems and use logic and reason to express my ideas. What you are doing here is resorting to base insults on a personal level and I don't think that is called for.

Even when we disagree, long time posters have a duty to adhere to a certain code of conduct. I could very easily stoop to that level and choose not to as well, but I don't. I ask you to do the same.

If you want to debate anything, then for sure let's do that, but let's not degenerate into plain filth or personal attacks on one another.

I'm sorry miles, I think that is a problem with the inability to show tone on the internet....when I say "fucking hippy", "dirty fucking hippy", and "nutjob socialist" my disdain is more geared towards the actual group as opposed to a personal attack on you. So in other words I fucking hate hippies and socialists I certainly hope you're neither of those, but with your views on "imperialist elites" and "the oppressed" one can't help but wonder.

[CFH]

#1. I don't think Moore necessarily hates the United States, if he did he would have left a long time ago. I think he probably see's himself as some kind of patriot to be honest.

#2. I know you were just randomly listing video games, but I desperately wanted to make Q*bert out to be some kind of Zionist, but, again, I got nothing.

#1. Michael Moore hates America of that I am sure, but he apparently likes Freedom of Speech and fast food, so where else can he go? He also loves the other people that hate America, Danny Glover, Sean Penn, etc etc

#2. Q*bert steals land from Coily (the snake that bounces like a spring), Slick and Sam.....and the most damning evidence of all is Q*bert's nose [Note to Mods, I was only trying to help CFH see a connection and this is in jest, so I'll just leave it at that]


And yes miles I called you a fucking hippy because if you're so worried about the oppressed and if you don't want ANYONE to be oppressed and everyone to live peacefully together then that's what you are a dirty fucking hippy. If you're not that then you're just some nutjob socialist that doesn't like Q*bert!

1. He could live virtually anywhere else in the Western world and be accorded many of the 'freedoms' found in America, though in many places I would image his taxes to be significantly higher. I really don't think he hates the States though, just like I don't think Penn or Glover (what did he do?) or any of those people hate the U.S. They just have ideas about what they feel is wrong about the country and about what needs to be done to repair it. I think they feel strongly about the idea of America, they're just not happy with it's current state.

2.

3. What's wrong with working to end or mitigate oppression? It'll probably never be eradicated, but I think working towards a more fair and equitable society is a noble thing.

4. Are you and I actually having a civil conversation about something like this?

This numbering system is fun

[generalbulldog]

...A video game caused this rant. Perhaps Michael Moore also plays too much PS3

...along with Rush Limbo.

Rush loves America...never heard him run it down like Moore does.

I'm just waiting for miles to play "The Sims" or better yet some old school game like "Zelda", "Q*Bert", "Super Mario Bros", or "Sonic The Hedgehog" so he can spew out more crap about elitists and the Jews.

Nah, I think Miles should play the Metal Gear Solid series, there's like 4 of them and the US elite soldier gets fucked over by his government and there is a wider conspiracy behind it. I think he should play that game next. Or he should play Fallout 3, America becomes a desolate wasteland Mad Max style after a nuclear war with China.

BTW, I did say I was staying out of the debate, I'm just recommending a few games for Miles.

[El Kabong]

Nah, I think Miles should play the Metal Gear Solid series, there's like 4 of them and the US elite soldier gets fucked over by his government and there is a wider conspiracy behind it. I think he should play that game next. Or he should play Fallout 3, America becomes a desolate wasteland Mad Max style after a nuclear war with China.

BTW, I did say I was staying out of the debate, I'm just recommending a few games for Miles.

I suggest he play Risk...let's see how his Flower Power works out in that game

[Gandalf]

Fallout 3 looks very interesting.

I don't think Michael Moore hates America either. He is one of the the most patriotic Americans I have ever listened to.

I played a demo of Call of Duty yesterday and must admit that I was thinking "why the fuck am I playing this?". I've erased it now.

And for sure Dr. Robotnik is very much like Netanyahu. A nasty colonialist. Israeli's now control 42% of the occupied territories and it is all policed by the IDF. I just don't understand how you can overlook that, especially when the expansion is subsidised by your very own taxes.

[generalbulldog]

Fallout 3 looks very interesting.

You can get a brand new copy for $20 USD, which I did at the local Best Buy. I think you'll probably love the political background of the story. America got nuked by China and now it's a desolate wasteland where you have to survive, choosing to help people or take advantage of them.

[Gandalf]

Fallout 3 looks very interesting.

You can get a brand new copy for $20 USD, which I did at the local Best Buy. I think you'll probably love the political background of the story. America got nuked by China and now it's a desolate wasteland where you have to survive, choosing to help people or take advantage of them.

I think that might well be my next purchase. But I do hope that you are not suggesting that I would like America to be obliterated by nuclear weapons. That couldn't be the furthest thing from my mind. I might be critical of how the country was founded and have a severe distaste for how the country is governed, but I sure wish for no harm to any of the general population.

When you have people like Bilbo saying that I hate Israel and Lyle saying that I hate America, I really think that is a small minded way of approaching very serious issues. When people do bad things you have to point it out. It doesn't neccessarily mean I hate a country, but it certainly means that the leaders are commiting atrocities and need to ammend their ways. The general population should not aquiesce in support of such policies and to call those who criticise as 'haters' is simply a tool of avoidance.

[Kev]

Fallout 3 looks very interesting.

You can get a brand new copy for $20 USD, which I did at the local Best Buy. I think you'll probably love the political background of the story. America got nuked by China and now it's a desolate wasteland where you have to survive, choosing to help people or take advantage of them.

I think that might well be my next purchase. But I do hope that you are not suggesting that I would like America to be obliterated by nuclear weapons. That couldn't be the furthest thing from my mind. I might be critical of how the country was founded and have a severe distaste for how the country is governed, but I sure wish for no harm to any of the general population.

When you have people like Bilbo saying that I hate Israel and Lyle saying that I hate America, I really think that is a small minded way of approaching very serious issues. When people do bad things you have to point it out. It doesn't neccessarily mean I hate a country, but it certainly means that the leaders are commiting atrocities and need to ammend their ways. The general population should not aquiesce in support of such policies and to call those who criticise as 'haters' is simply a tool of avoidance.

It's because the ONLY bad things you ever point out are sins committed by Israel and America!

You might say 'down the pub I talk about other stuff' but on this board you only choose to discuss the political sins of these two countries, so clearly they are the people who get your blood boiling, not China, North Korea, Iran etc.

When it comes to boxing talk as well your main interest of discussion is Amir Khan and after every fight you will seek a negative angle to take regarding his victory.

You clearly have agendas and personal biases.

I'm not saying I or others don't by the way. We all have 'subject fingerprints' so to speak, thread topics we are more likely to post in, people or nations we are more likely to discuss.

For example I readily admit I am a bit of a religious nut, a passionate supporter of the Jews, a believer in creationism and mocker evolution and atheistic humanism, in addition to being something of a sleaze with a fascination for pornography, dubious sexual practices and vulgarity.

An analysis of my posts over the years would support this.

You could take any main poster here and build a character profile on them based on their posts over a period of time, and no doubt Youngblood is an expert on this very matter and has written a thesis on this a couple of years ago.

Anyway, I've paused the new Predators film to respond in this thread and I want to get back to it. Blindingly good movie by the way!