Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post

Toney has never taken a punch off anyone like Wlad. The biggest punchers he has faced are a way past his prime and no where near as heavy handed as he once was Rahman and Sam Peter. Neither hit anywhere near as hard as Klitschko. Believe me if Wlad lands clean on Toney, the big fat bastard WILL be out cold. The way to beat Wlad is to be faster than him and avoid his punches, whilst hitting him with big shots yourself. I don't see Toney being able to do any of that.
I suppose you got into this debate with Miles becasue Miles speculated that Toney still has the skills to cause some problems. Now as part of the JFAT alliance ( ) I have to admit that it is a bitter pill to swallow that he is now totally shot as a fighter (you can't get a boxing lesson off Sam Peter and not call yourself totally shot) but to insinuate that Roy Jones would have ANY chance of being elusive, when he hasn't taken a side step, or moved his upper-body in the past 3 years is a bit silly

I mean Roy Jones couldn't evade Danny Green for more than 3 minutes, what makes you think he could keep away from Wladimir Klitschko's jab (which would probably render Roy unconscious on its own) for more than 10 seconds

And please don't start talking about temple shots ... I cant't even bring myself to think of how Roy would react to the one of the deadliest right-hands in history

Yes you need speed to beat Wladimir, mostly to evade his shots but you also need to be able to separate heads from shoulders