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Fenster
Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
Originally Posted by
Fenster
That has nothing to do with it. Dirrell has fought the guys allotted to him - all among the very best in the world. Johnson was NEVER even part of the super six until this week. He gets the WORST fighter in the comp and should he win goes into the semi's? That is complete and utter bullshit.
Taylor was one of the favourites to win the whole competition, the majority of this forum picked him to beat Abraham. Ward beat Miranda easily whereas Green was beaten easily - stinking the joint out in the process. Dirrell was unbeaten.
Green was a rubbish addition that brought nothing to this comp. The only reason he got in is because Lou Dibella was Taylor's promoter.
The only reason I'm arguing this point is that I have no real interest in seeing Dirrell make it to the semi's. Of course, I'll be the first to agree he should be there if he beats Ward though.
First facts straight, only a KO win gets Johnson or Green into the semi-finals.
Second, Abraham is relying on his 3 points from his KO of the worst fighter entering the tournament to make it to the next round - he actually retired after that fight. I'm sorry I was not among those who thought Taylor would beat Abraham. And to say he was a favorite is ludicrous. Kessler was by far and away the favorite and Abraham was thought to be the runner up. I would venture to say next was Froch and then Ward. Taylor was the weakest link. He was only included for name value. How could he have been the favorite after Froch, a competitor in the tournament, knocked him out previously? That's nonsensical.
Third, what has Dirrell done with his chances to advance? Seriously. Name something...oh wait, I get your point, he actually showed up to those fights. I guess in a weird way that is something.
Fourth, would you rather see Dirrell or Johnson fight Froch/Abraham in the next round?
Fifth, explain to me how Green was a worse inclusion than Dirrell? Because Dirrell was undefeated? Really? Come on, man. There really isn't anything different between Dirrell and Green's resume.
I never said Taylor was THE favourite. I said one of the favourites. That's a fact. Ward and Dirrell were both double figure priced outsiders. That's another fact.
Super Six boxing odds: Carl Froch confident of defeating Andre Dirrell
MANY dismissed Froch's late KO over Taylor as a fluke - hence Taylor starting the competition highly favoured. Fact. MANY on this site had him beating Abraham. Fact.
I don't care if Dirrell has stunk the place out. I don't care if he loses every fight. The fact is he has fought light-years stronger competition than Johnson or Green in the Super Six. So for two replacements to be able to leap frog him in one fight is a complete disgrace. Fact.
That's all subjective and doesn't prove anything. Taylor was a betting favorite and the people on this site favored him? What does that really mean? And you include him as a favorite - but not THE favorite. So, what you're saying is that after Froch, Abraham and Kessler, Taylor was as favorite? How is being the 4th ranked person in a tournament of 6 a favorite of any sort? Maybe I'm missing something...
At the heart of what you're saying is that because Dirrell's showed up to face Froch, Abraham, and Ward, even though he hasn't had one true win, you feel he deserves to progress more than Green and Johnson because they haven't showed up to face all those three.
To me, showing up to fight those three, doesn't mean all that much if in your showings, you didn't do jack and in fact, you stunk the place out. But, I can see your argument in the case of Johnson, who hasn't fought anyone at all. I hear you there. But, Green entered the tournament at a disadvantage and fought the guy in his hometown who most people pick to win it all now, and now faces a guy who is impossible to knock out, and must knockout to advance. If Green knocks Glen Johnson out, a guy Chad Dawson, Tavoris Cloud, Yusaf Mack, couldn't knock out, to me, that merits him making the next round more than Dirrell's horrible showings.
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