WTF? Is this some sort of joke? Glen Johnson replacing Kessler in the super six?

[El Kabong]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

[Tam Seddon]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

thats shit

[Rantcatrat]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

thats shit

Point one is that Green has had an uphill battle this whole tournament. I'm not defending Green here, but when he was scheduled to fight Kessler, no one said anything about the repurcussions of Green winning when a win by Green produced the same result as it does if he fights Johnson. Don't forget he started as a long shot because he came in with one loss already on his record and then he was immediately fed to Ward, the champion of the tournament. That would be tough for any supermiddleweight, let alone the underdog of the tournament. Imagine Froch in that position. How would he fare?

Point two is that Dirrell hasn't had a great tournament either and I don't think I'm alone in saying that I wouldn't be too unhappy if he didn't make it to the next round. Dirrell stunk out the joint worse than Green (versus Ward) when he fought Froch in Nottingham in a very winnable fight for him in my opinion. Froch at least generally has a fun style to watch whereas the same can't be said for Ward and Dirrell still made it horrible viewing. In his next fight, he took a debatable win over Abraham although I tend to believe he wasn't acting, that's besides the point. One loss due to negative fighting and one win on a DQ - he hasn't earned one victory himself. If he loses to Ward, why does he deserve to make it through when his only win was on a DQ? Moreover, he fought Abraham at home. Green won't fight one fight in his backyard wherever that is.

Now with Froch, I generally believe that he should make it to the next round, but if he's knocked out cold by Abraham, I understand how he could be eliminated. He should have won his match against Kessler. I believe Kessler is/was on the slide. And his win against Dirrell was more due to Dirrell's negative fighting than his winning. Bottom line, one loss against Kessler who is on the slide and one unimpressive win over Dirrell. That is why to me, Froch's fight versus Abraham is huge for his chances to advance. He beats Abraham and he has had a better run in the Super Six than Abraham himself, which merits advancement. However, if he were to lose, his resume doesn't look too solid because that's two losses and one unimpressive win. Not a very compelling CV if you ask me. A dominating performance by Green knocking out Bika or Johnson, which is what Green needs to advance, does more for me than Froch's win over Dirrell if Froch loses to Abraham.

[Rantcatrat]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

thats shit

It was a smart move though. Satisfy the mandatory and wait for the Super Six losers, Kessler, Pavlik, or Hopkins.

[Violent Demise]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

thats shit

Point one is that Green has had an uphill battle this whole tournament. I'm not defending Green here, but when he was scheduled to fight Kessler, no one said anything about the repurcussions of Green winning when a win by Green produced the same result as it does if he fights Johnson. Don't forget he started as a long shot because he came in with one loss already on his record and then he was immediately fed to Ward, the champion of the tournament. That would be tough for any supermiddleweight, let alone the underdog of the tournament. Imagine Froch in that position. How would he fare?

Point two is that Dirrell hasn't had a great tournament either and I don't think I'm alone in saying that I wouldn't be too unhappy if he didn't make it to the next round. Dirrell stunk out the joint worse than Green (versus Ward) when he fought Froch in Nottingham in a very winnable fight for him in my opinion. Froch at least generally has a fun style to watch whereas the same can't be said for Ward and Dirrell still made it horrible viewing. In his next fight, he took a debatable win over Abraham although I tend to believe he wasn't acting, that's besides the point. One loss due to negative fighting and one loss on a DQ - he doesn't have ONE real win. Why does he deserve to make it through? Moreover, he fought Abraham at home. Green won't fight one fight in his backyard wherever that is.

Now with Froch, I generally believe that he should make it to the next round, but if he's knocked out cold by Abraham, I mean I see the point in his elimination. He should have won this match against Kessler. I believe Kessler is/was on the slide. And his win against Dirrell was more due to Dirrell's negative fighting than his winning.

People seem to forget Green was a replacement. He did not have his own terms on contract. All he did was inherit the terms of Jermain Taylor's contract. And according to that contract this fight was set to be Taylor's home fight. It's pretty obvious there not gonna fight in Arkansas without Taylor. But I'm sure they'll work out some kind of arrangements that should be satisfactory to Green. He actually does have a little pull here.

[Rantcatrat]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

thats shit

Point one is that Green has had an uphill battle this whole tournament. I'm not defending Green here, but when he was scheduled to fight Kessler, no one said anything about the repurcussions of Green winning when a win by Green produced the same result as it does if he fights Johnson. Don't forget he started as a long shot because he came in with one loss already on his record and then he was immediately fed to Ward, the champion of the tournament. That would be tough for any supermiddleweight, let alone the underdog of the tournament. Imagine Froch in that position. How would he fare?

Point two is that Dirrell hasn't had a great tournament either and I don't think I'm alone in saying that I wouldn't be too unhappy if he didn't make it to the next round. Dirrell stunk out the joint worse than Green (versus Ward) when he fought Froch in Nottingham in a very winnable fight for him in my opinion. Froch at least generally has a fun style to watch whereas the same can't be said for Ward and Dirrell still made it horrible viewing. In his next fight, he took a debatable win over Abraham although I tend to believe he wasn't acting, that's besides the point. One loss due to negative fighting and one loss on a DQ - he doesn't have ONE real win. Why does he deserve to make it through? Moreover, he fought Abraham at home. Green won't fight one fight in his backyard wherever that is.

Now with Froch, I generally believe that he should make it to the next round, but if he's knocked out cold by Abraham, I mean I see the point in his elimination. He should have won this match against Kessler. I believe Kessler is/was on the slide. And his win against Dirrell was more due to Dirrell's negative fighting than his winning.

People seem to forget Green was a replacement. He did not have his own terms on contract. All he did was inherit the terms of Jermain Taylor's contract. And according to that contract this fight was set to be Taylor's home fight. It's pretty obvious there not gonna fight in Arkansas without Taylor. But I'm sure they'll work out some kind of arrangements that should be satisfactory to Green. He actually does have a little pull here.

I agree.

My point basically is that if Abraham and Ward win, they clearly are at the top of the class in this tournament and the rest of the entrants have borderline qualifications, Froch with unimpressive win over Dirrell at home, Dirrell with his DQ win over Abraham at home, and Green with a KO win over Bika or Johnson. At that point, it's a preference thing. To me, a knockout win over Bika or Johnson does more than Dirrell's DQ win over Abraham, and I think Green should advance.

If Ward and Abraham lose, Ward, Dirrell, Abraham, and Froch should advance even if Green wins because Green will get what he knows could have been the case if he lost just one match going into the tournament plus he will be making his departure on a win, which should propel him into a match with Bute. Everyone's happy.

If Ward wins and Abraham loses, I like Ward, Froch, Abraham and Green to advance because again to me, Green KO Johnson/Bika > Dirrell DQ Abraham.

The only sticky situation would arise if Ward loses and Abraham wins. I think at that point Ward, Dirrell, Abraham, and Froch should advance although it's a closer call.

[Master]

I cannot see this happening, there are better super middle weights and Glenn could not do the weight and be competitive.

[Mar]

It's finally official.....i imagine allan looked down at his feet two or three times threw down his comic and did a happy dance. Not sure if he'll beat johnson but it'll be a whole lot easier than kessler and better than being thrown out of the tourny all together. Anyone taking johnson to win it all lol ?

[El Kabong]

It's finally official.....i imagine allan looked down at his feet two or three times threw down his comic and did a happy dance. Not sure if he'll beat johnson but it'll be a whole lot easier than kessler and better than being thrown out of the tourny all together. Anyone taking johnson to win it all lol ?

If he can make weight I'll take him...he's tough, has a hell of a chin and has some solid power. If he fights someone like Dirrell or Ward he'll likely get outboxed no matter what the weight, but Kessler, Froch, Abraham...when pressure meets pressure things don't always turn out well for the favorites.


I do wonder why no Hopkins-Johnson II....that would be a good even fight these days!

[Rantcatrat]

It's finally official.....i imagine allan looked down at his feet two or three times threw down his comic and did a happy dance. Not sure if he'll beat johnson but it'll be a whole lot easier than kessler and better than being thrown out of the tourny all together. Anyone taking johnson to win it all lol ?

If he can make weight I'll take him...he's tough, has a hell of a chin and has some solid power. If he fights someone like Dirrell or Ward he'll likely get outboxed no matter what the weight, but Kessler, Froch, Abraham...when pressure meets pressure things don't always turn out well for the favorites.


I do wonder why no Hopkins-Johnson II....that would be a good even fight these days!

I completely agree. I don't like this matchup for Green.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Dirrell should be out bur Green should never have been allowed to knock on the front door. Bute should have been in from the beginning and when you put Johnson in and continue with a loser like Green, something smells bad.

[johnsebastianmiran]

Johnson should be able to handle Green but as bad a fighter as Green is, I hope Johnson doesn't drain himself to make weight. I know he can but it's too sudden, too soon. Johnson does not have to lose the weight the way that Jones did after Ruiz but as previously pointed out, he has been at the 175 mark for at least ten years and muscle memory is a bitch on your body.

[TheMacMagician]

In response to the title of this thread, the Super Six just got seriously "un-super" if thats even possible.... I say Johnson doesn't make weight, and i'd put a bet on that right now....

[GAME]

why isnt lucian bute involved ?

He's with HBO

And he has a mandatory defense vs Jesse Brinkley

thats shit

Point one is that Green has had an uphill battle this whole tournament. I'm not defending Green here, but when he was scheduled to fight Kessler, no one said anything about the repurcussions of Green winning when a win by Green produced the same result as it does if he fights Johnson. Don't forget he started as a long shot because he came in with one loss already on his record and then he was immediately fed to Ward, the champion of the tournament. That would be tough for any supermiddleweight, let alone the underdog of the tournament. Imagine Froch in that position. How would he fare?

Point two is that Dirrell hasn't had a great tournament either and I don't think I'm alone in saying that I wouldn't be too unhappy if he didn't make it to the next round. Dirrell stunk out the joint worse than Green (versus Ward) when he fought Froch in Nottingham in a very winnable fight for him in my opinion. Froch at least generally has a fun style to watch whereas the same can't be said for Ward and Dirrell still made it horrible viewing. In his next fight, he took a debatable win over Abraham although I tend to believe he wasn't acting, that's besides the point. One loss due to negative fighting and one loss on a DQ - he doesn't have ONE real win. Why does he deserve to make it through? Moreover, he fought Abraham at home. Green won't fight one fight in his backyard wherever that is.

Now with Froch, I generally believe that he should make it to the next round, but if he's knocked out cold by Abraham, I mean I see the point in his elimination. He should have won this match against Kessler. I believe Kessler is/was on the slide. And his win against Dirrell was more due to Dirrell's negative fighting than his winning.

People seem to forget Green was a replacement. He did not have his own terms on contract. All he did was inherit the terms of Jermain Taylor's contract. And according to that contract this fight was set to be Taylor's home fight. It's pretty obvious there not gonna fight in Arkansas without Taylor. But I'm sure they'll work out some kind of arrangements that should be satisfactory to Green. He actually does have a little pull here.

I agree.

My point basically is that if Abraham and Ward win, they clearly are at the top of the class in this tournament and the rest of the entrants have borderline qualifications, Froch with unimpressive win over Dirrell at home, Dirrell with his DQ win over Abraham at home, and Green with a KO win over Bika or Johnson. At that point, it's a preference thing. To me, a knockout win over Bika or Johnson does more than Dirrell's DQ win over Abraham, and I think Green should advance.

If Ward and Abraham lose, Ward, Dirrell, Abraham, and Froch should advance even if Green wins because Green will get what he knows could have been the case if he lost just one match going into the tournament plus he will be making his departure on a win, which should propel him into a match with Bute. Everyone's happy.

If Ward wins and Abraham loses, I like Ward, Froch, Abraham and Green to advance because again to me, Green KO Johnson/Bika > Dirrell DQ Abraham.

The only sticky situation would arise if Ward loses and Abraham wins. I think at that point Ward, Dirrell, Abraham, and Froch should advance although it's a closer call.

SOLD!

I wasnt happy with it when I heard but youve convinced me with that post. A KO over Johnson is probably more impressive than a dodgy dq win over Abs and a stinker with Froch and its better than a loss to Kess aswel. so fair enough.

The problem I have is although im pleased for Glenn cuz the road warrior deserves a payday, im not sure really DESERVES to be in the super 6 cuz it isnt super anymore. Glenn is a washed up old man whos coming off a series of losses. He has 14 infact and he will be weight drained too so how is that super. I worry for his health if he meets Abs. He is underestimating how much weight making will take out of him at his age.

[amat]

I would take Johnson to beat Abraham. Green couldn't do anything to keep Ward off his chest, that's how Glenn has been fighting for 100 years. No way he loses but I don't think he'll get the KO he needs either.