Margarito-Pac - Is breeze blocks being underestimated?

[denilson200]

I've noticed a lot of people writing this fight off as a "gimme" for Pac. This has surprised me a bit.

If you forgive breeze blocks one bad night against Mosley, when quite frankly he shouldn't have been allowed to enter the ring considering he was mentally destroyed literally minutes before the contest, then he is a big bad dangerous welterweight (151lber).

You should forgive anyone one bad outing. He's had a comeback to blow off the cobwebs and has absolutely NOTHING to lose. He will always be regarded as a dirty cheat, but as boxing is a disgusting business, where just about anything goes, he's been put in a GREAT position.

He has the ability/size to put Pac under the cosh, no? Is he really a 5/1 dog? I'm not so sure....Thoughts?

Margarito has two chances SLIM and NONE....and SLIM just left town

I fear for Margarito's health in this fight. He hasn't got a hope in winning, he really hasn't. The thing that worries me in this fight is that Margarito has a great chin and will be pumped up to prove the doubters wrong but he is slow, one paced, doesn't move head and is not huge puncher. So he will just be plodding in and plodding in and pac-man will just be circling him, bombing him and pounding him non stop. I can see a career ending beating for Margarito. I don't think Pac-Man will knock him out...I don't even think he will knock him down. I think either the corner will pull Margarito out or the ref will stop it.

[Balboa]

Agrees with above.

Too. Damn. Fast.

Margarito, much as I like him, will get shredded.

[generalbulldog]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

[Chino]

Can't see Margarito winning either. It seems his style was made for Pac to do whatever he wants.

[Fenster]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

This sounds perfectly understandable but name some fighters you mean? I'd like to take a look at it.

[:::PSL:::]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

[Gandalf]

I think this has the potential to be a very difficult fight for Manny. Margarito does a number of things wrong, but only Mosley has really been able to go to town on him. And let's face it, Margarito was most not likely in a very good place considering what went down before the fight. Margarito does pose issues that Manny hasn't dealt with before. Margarito is a big man, throws a LOT of punches and unlike recent opponents who have been known to fade down the stretch, Margarito always gets stronger.

Pac is an obvious favourite, but I can see Margarito giving him a good go of it.

[denilson200]

I think this has the potential to be a very difficult fight for Manny. Margarito does a number of things wrong, but only Mosley has really been able to go to town on him. And let's face it, Margarito was most not likely in a very good place considering what went down before the fight. Margarito does pose issues that Manny hasn't dealt with before. Margarito is a big man, throws a LOT of punches and unlike recent opponents who have been known to fade down the stretch, Margarito always gets stronger.

Pac is an obvious favourite, but I can see Margarito giving him a good go of it.

You crazy ? This will be the biggest mis-match since Tyson fough McNeeley. Pac-Man will destroy him and Margacheato won't win one round. In fact he won't win one minute of one round.

[The Fightfan]

Well I think what most look at is the last big fight's. Cotto fought Margarito and was easily winning until the late rounds. Then Tony took over for the kill. When Pac and Cotto fought there really was only one round the first where there was any doubt. After that it was all Pacquaio. You do have to look at these fights to see a clearer picture in most cases but like they say styles make fight's.

I am going with Pacquiao by an easy, cruising desicion. I think Margarito is entirely to slow and will not even be able to find Pac most of the night with anything good besides a pawing punch.

[:::PSL:::]

Margo will be a target practice after round 4.

[generalbulldog]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

[Fenster]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

Name the exact guys you're thinking of?

I think it will be interesting to see if the severe beating is the only reason for the demise.

[:::PSL:::]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

Name the exact guys you're thinking of?

I think it will be interesting to see if the severe beating is the only reason for the demise.

I'm kinda getting stymied and frustrated. I can't think of any.

I was thinking of Tyson or Gatti... but nah, I don't think so.

Maybe Pac's early career?.. But he didn't really take one-sided beatdowns in those 2 KO losses of his.

[generalbulldog]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

Name the exact guys you're thinking of?

I think it will be interesting to see if the severe beating is the only reason for the demise.

Benny Paret, Meldrick Taylor, Joe Frazier (after 1st Foreman fight), Razor Ruddock (after both Tyson fights), John Mugabi (after Hagler beat down), Floyd Patterson (after both Liston fights). Those are just a few, but there are a lot more in boxing history.

In fact the Margarito sustained kind of beating to the head and/or body can ruin fighters or takes years off their career. This is pretty much common knowledge in boxing. I'm pretty sure you may find 1 or 2 exceptions to the rule, but those are extremely rare. Fighters that take a sustain beating don't come back and beat elite fighters, and when I say elite, I'm talking either the no. 1 guy or 2 guy in the division or a top 10 p4p fighter. They either become ruin, shot, severely on the downside of their career. Fact.


EDIT: MAB was 1 of the rare exceptions after getting a beat down by Pac in '03 to go and have some good wins, like against Morales in their 3rd fight who would beat Pac in their 1st fight. But it is extremely rare in boxing history to come back from a massive beat down to beat an elite fighter.