Margarito-Pac - Is breeze blocks being underestimated?

[generalbulldog]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

[Fenster]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

Name the exact guys you're thinking of?

I think it will be interesting to see if the severe beating is the only reason for the demise.

[:::PSL:::]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

Name the exact guys you're thinking of?

I think it will be interesting to see if the severe beating is the only reason for the demise.

I'm kinda getting stymied and frustrated. I can't think of any.

I was thinking of Tyson or Gatti... but nah, I don't think so.

Maybe Pac's early career?.. But he didn't really take one-sided beatdowns in those 2 KO losses of his.

[generalbulldog]

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Try Vic Darchinyan. But there's a psyche factor.

Unlike Marg. Vic never got involve in any scandal.

Darchinyan never got a beating throughout a fight. Getting outboxed and then 1 punch KO is different than getting a sustained heavy beating on your entire body.

In fact, I am correct that a fighter that gets massively beat down like Margarito, never recovers to beat an elite opponent.

Name the exact guys you're thinking of?

I think it will be interesting to see if the severe beating is the only reason for the demise.

Benny Paret, Meldrick Taylor, Joe Frazier (after 1st Foreman fight), Razor Ruddock (after both Tyson fights), John Mugabi (after Hagler beat down), Floyd Patterson (after both Liston fights). Those are just a few, but there are a lot more in boxing history.

In fact the Margarito sustained kind of beating to the head and/or body can ruin fighters or takes years off their career. This is pretty much common knowledge in boxing. I'm pretty sure you may find 1 or 2 exceptions to the rule, but those are extremely rare. Fighters that take a sustain beating don't come back and beat elite fighters, and when I say elite, I'm talking either the no. 1 guy or 2 guy in the division or a top 10 p4p fighter. They either become ruin, shot, severely on the downside of their career. Fact.


EDIT: MAB was 1 of the rare exceptions after getting a beat down by Pac in '03 to go and have some good wins, like against Morales in their 3rd fight who would beat Pac in their 1st fight. But it is extremely rare in boxing history to come back from a massive beat down to beat an elite fighter.

[KananKrus]

If one buys into what has been in the news these last few days, then definitely, one would mistakenly conclude that the former welterweight title-holder, Mexican, Antonio Margarito is being underestimated on several fronts.

Vegas for one, has the "Tijuana Tornado", Margarito a 6-1 underdog at one point in time. I will be surprised if that odds will hold, in view of all the negative feedback emanating out of camp Pacquiao in Baguio City, in the Philippines.

Some scribes even have alarming news, that Manny is at present, seemingly somewhat unable to focus all his energies exclusively for this fight. Indicative indeed that the seriousness of the task-in-hand has not reached the critical level where the mind of the pound for pound champ needs to be, in order to benefit fully from all the training that they have already had these past four weeks of training camp.

Where in the past was attained without so much of a hitch, a positive result at this point in time, in this particular training camp, seem so far been somewhat elusive. Several factors come into play, and to generalise, it all points to the PacMan playing too much hookey!

Coach Freddie Roach, camp Pacquiao's head trainer, and Alex Ariza, the conditioning coach, have gone off sounding displeasure over these turn of events.

If Manny expects the washed down version of Margarito to show up come the 13th of November, with a symbolic white flag on the side, and all but ready to receive his beating, then he will surely be in for a rude awakening! Last report have Margarito with his trainer Robert Garcia, with a serious gameplan to offset whatever Pacquiao have in store for Tony come their ring date. The plan is to surprise the Pacman with motion, head movement, an offense led by a stiff jab. If successful at that, bit hook line and sinker, a stung "Filipino typhoon" will get knocked out.

Come fight night, Margarito comes to fight with a good enough defense against Pac, he should do well. And with his size, a win is not a remote possibility. However, if he will just rely purely on sheer size, his granite chin, and with a hope for his volume punches to kick in, also, his superb conditioning... he will fail!

He will either run for survival, or he will get knocked into retirement.
For surely the volume punches will not come, and the lack of a winning gameplan will spell doom.

I'm sure Manny Pacquiao knows what it takes to get the job done, tho. And the adjustments and fight preps are all proper. The negative pub is all that... negative pub to make the fight of more interest.

If Manny comes to fight Nocvember 13th with all his given talent intact.. and with a usual game plan, he should be able to inflict enough damage to cause a peculiarity experienced by all Pac opponents in the past, it shall take shape, and with it the possibility of a stoppage inside of eight!

[ElTerribleMorales]

bulldog even though i do agree with you for the most part, i can think of one standout fighter who got his ass whooped physically and mentally and came back to beat an elite opponent, and his name is George Foreman

[CFH]

Stuff...

Has there ever been a Pacquiao fight where there weren't a ton of stories about his supposed issues in training camp?

[KananKrus]

Has there ever been a Pacquiao fight where there weren't a ton of stories about his supposed issues in training camp?[/QUOTE]

Exactly! It's Arum's! And neither is it a eureka moment by any means.

[:::PSL:::]

Stuff...

Has there ever been a Pacquiao fight where there weren't a ton of stories about his supposed issues in training camp?

HBO 24/7 this saturday. It's like watching telenovela . There's always drama. I can't wait to see it. Roach said he's not gonna allow HBO crew to film any Pac's sparring session this time. Bummer.