Quote Originally Posted by Lyle


If you are going to have no holds barred fighting, then do it right, pride and ufc...take away the gloves and let the guys go at it...I'm not a fan of submission holds either, it's boring it's childish...you remember the bully in A Christmas Story "say uncle, say uncle"....I don't know maybe something is wrong with me, I'd rather see boxing.
Agreed. Nothing's wrong with you...I'd rather see boxing too.

The thing is...this site is debticated to boxing...MMA/Pride Fighting is not boxing...no matter what anyone says...sorry...it just aint.

Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
I have nothing but respect for the tradition of martial arts though
Agreed again.



Huge fan of martial arts as a science...but not the form it has taken in MMA.

That anyone actually believes MMA is remotely close to the true source/science of reputtable martial arts kills me.