Who would like George Bush tried for War crimes?

[Gandalf]

I've not really participated in this thread because I realised I had already done a similar thread previously. But, I see a few responses that have caught my eye.

Amat, I have no idea how Wolfowitz losing his family in the holocaust justifies invading a sovereign state without the backing of the international community. That argument makes no real sense to me. If he was that bothered about such things then maybe he should have become a bigger advocate of Palestinian rights. That would appear more constructive to me rather than invading Iraq and killing over 100,000 civilians. People that would likely be alive today had the invasion not taken place and would have been living better had the absurd Iraqi sanctions not been imposed. Sanctions on Iraq and yet nothing on Israel all these years? Total hypocrisy.

This thread is old news really, but I maintain that these criminals are being allowed to get away with murder and no moral man should allow excuses to be made for them.

[Gandalf]

Haha, no gaming this time, Lyle.

Just a Neil Young album this time. It set the mind flowing. Not one of his best albums, but there are a few nice tunes on there.

[Gandalf]

And if anyone would like to debate it, then I'm ready. But the good amongst you know that I am right anyway. George Bush is the most evil man of this century and part of the most terrible empire. It just so happens that America in this century has become all that it pretended to oppose in the last century. Basically a fascist state with a clever control of its media.

[Violent Demise]

And if anyone would like to debate it, then I'm ready. But the good amongst you know that I am right anyway. George Bush is the most evil man of this century and part of the most terrible empire. It just so happens that America in this century has become all that it pretended to oppose in the last century. Basically a fascist state with a clever control of its media.

You do realize Bush is no longer President, right? Leave the man alone already. The war wasn't really his fault anyway. He was in a no win situation

[Gandalf]

And if anyone would like to debate it, then I'm ready. But the good amongst you know that I am right anyway. George Bush is the most evil man of this century and part of the most terrible empire. It just so happens that America in this century has become all that it pretended to oppose in the last century. Basically a fascist state with a clever control of its media.

You do realize Bush is no longer President, right? Leave the man alone already. The war wasn't really his fault anyway. He was in a no win situation

He only went and instigated it and mustered up public approval with outright lies and as a consequence over a hundred thousand civilians lost their lives, thousands of soldiers were killed and perhaps upwards of a million people were injured.

Sure, he is no longer President. But that man has a lot of blood on his hands. And for what exactly? Oil? Influence in the region?

We live and die by the choices we make in life and must be held accountable for the wrongs we do to others. Just because Bush is an ex-president and from a wealthy family does not mean that his crimes should remain unpunished. He made his choices.

[El Kabong]

miles....since when is Neil Young smart? He's a Canadian too....one of the worst kinds

[Gandalf]

miles....since when is Neil Young smart? He's a Canadian too....one of the worst kinds

In his own way he is very smart. He has his head screwed on when it comes to US politics and the environment. He writes very good songs when his mind is on it. But yeah, he is Canadian.

[Violent Demise]

And if anyone would like to debate it, then I'm ready. But the good amongst you know that I am right anyway. George Bush is the most evil man of this century and part of the most terrible empire. It just so happens that America in this century has become all that it pretended to oppose in the last century. Basically a fascist state with a clever control of its media.

You do realize Bush is no longer President, right? Leave the man alone already. The war wasn't really his fault anyway. He was in a no win situation

He only went and instigated it and mustered up public approval with outright lies and as a consequence over a hundred thousand civilians lost their lives, thousands of soldiers were killed and perhaps upwards of a million people were injured.

Sure, he is no longer President. But that man has a lot of blood on his hands. And for what exactly? Oil? Influence in the region?

We live and die by the choices we make in life and must be held accountable for the wrongs we do to others. Just because Bush is an ex-president and from a wealthy family does not mean that his crimes should remain unpunished. He made his choices.

Bush's actions and the reasons for them date back to the early 90's. When his father was President. Bush Sr. defeat for reelection was largely due to his pulling out of the Gulf War without taking out Saddam. It was a costly mistake. Not only did it cost him reelection. But it left a black mark against him. And the Bush name. Bush Sr. always felt his Presidency was incomplete. The 4 years were not enough. So much he wanted to do. But couldn't. But someone else could. Bush Jr. became President with one personal agenda. Remove the black mark from the Bush name and finish up what his father started. No matter what. 9/11 gave him the excuse to get started. He went into Iraq and took out Saddam. Despite the reasons and excuses provided. It was all personal. Bush Jr. is looked at as a fool. But in reality he's not a stupid man. He just did what he thought was best. No matter what his advisors advised him. No matter how much the media crucified him. Or the public despised him. He didn't give a fuck. He was the President. He had the final say. And no matter how many young Americans had to die he was not gonna pull out of Iraq until he felt it was time. Bush Jr. took full advantage of his President power. He did whatever he wanted to do. Damn the consequences. If he had to win his reelection with shady moves. So be it. He's the fucking President. He can do that. And did. It's to early right now. But in years to come Bush Jr will be looked upon more favorably than he is now. A President who was not scared to get things done. Unlike the lame fuck who's currently in office

[Gandalf]

I disagree with pretty much everything you say here. You seem to be trying to justify a petty vendetta passed on from Daddy, outright fabrication of evidence, vote rigging and an ignorance and disregard for international law. Now this kind of behaviour is never acceptable, so I am going to assume that your post is tongue in cheek. There is surely no way that you believe all of that.

Though sometimes I have to wonder with you!

[pacfan]

Junior was just fulfilling his daddy's unfulfilled mission. Too bad he had to lie for it. I just want to say to the US to just finish what you've started, or you have no right to mess up other countries. Hope Iraq won't be another Vietnam. Maybe Afganistan was justified though. Another thing I want to say to Americans is that if you're afraid to commit soldiers to tough combat jobs, just don't send 'em. It ain't right to blast civilians to save your soldiers, call it a collateral stuff, and pretend nothing happened. But don't get me wrong, I usually support US intervention when justified. If people are masacred by thousands, like in some African countries, it's time to stop 'em. I know America has always been willing and I'm all for it, but unfortunately, they hardly get support from others, and sometimes, are even bitterly opposed by some countries, likes France. And some even come up with these same 'ol musty conspiracy theory stories revolving around oil. Somalia's one example. US has been doing it alone, fellas, what a sad story. Millions died in Rwanda several years back while the whole world just watched. Well it's just a poor, black country which amounts to nothing so who cares, right? Wrong, babe.

[El Kabong]

Junior was just fulfilling his daddy's unfulfilled mission. Too bad he had to lie for it. I just want to say to the US to just finish what you've started, or you have no right to mess up other countries. Hope Iraq won't be another Vietnam. Maybe Afganistan was justified though. Another thing I want to say to Americans is that if you're afraid to commit soldiers to tough combat jobs, just don't send 'em. It ain't right to blast civilians to save your soldiers, call it a collateral stuff, and pretend nothing happened. But don't get me wrong, I usually support US intervention when justified. If people are masacred by thousands, like in some African countries, it's time to stop 'em. I know America has always been willing and I'm all for it, but unfortunately, they hardly get support from others, and sometimes, are even bitterly opposed by some countries, likes France. And some even come up with these same 'ol musty conspiracy theory stories revolving around oil. Somalia's one example. US has been doing it alone, fellas, what a sad story. Millions died in Rwanda several years back while the whole world just watched. Well it's just a poor, black country which amounts to nothing so who cares, right? Wrong, babe.

By all means we're not doing that....we COULD just bomb the crap out of Iraq or Afghanistan and not worry about civilian casualties the way we bombed Japan, Germany, or Vietnam, but we're trying to be more surgical with our attacks.

As for Africa, the entire continent has issues and it's sad because they are blessed with so many natural resources.

[Nameless]

Junior was just fulfilling his daddy's unfulfilled mission. Too bad he had to lie for it. I just want to say to the US to just finish what you've started, or you have no right to mess up other countries. Hope Iraq won't be another Vietnam. Maybe Afganistan was justified though. Another thing I want to say to Americans is that if you're afraid to commit soldiers to tough combat jobs, just don't send 'em. It ain't right to blast civilians to save your soldiers, call it a collateral stuff, and pretend nothing happened. But don't get me wrong, I usually support US intervention when justified. If people are masacred by thousands, like in some African countries, it's time to stop 'em. I know America has always been willing and I'm all for it, but unfortunately, they hardly get support from others, and sometimes, are even bitterly opposed by some countries, likes France. And some even come up with these same 'ol musty conspiracy theory stories revolving around oil. Somalia's one example. US has been doing it alone, fellas, what a sad story. Millions died in Rwanda several years back while the whole world just watched. Well it's just a poor, black country which amounts to nothing so who cares, right? Wrong, babe.

By all means we're not doing that....we COULD just bomb the crap out of Iraq or Afghanistan and not worry about civilian casualties the way we bombed Japan, Germany, or Vietnam, but we're trying to be more surgical with our attacks.

As for Africa, the entire continent has issues and it's sad because they are blessed with so many natural resources.

Have you seen the new leaks that prove that high military and secret services tortured willingly and killed way more people than what they wanted to state and tried to keep it secret? Surgical strike is one of the funniest concept: throw a 500 kilos multi explosive heads on a target and pray that nobody on a radius of 5 kilometers get killed. They try, sure, but.... really not that hard.

[El Kabong]

Have you seen the new leaks that prove that high military and secret services tortured willingly and killed way more people than what they wanted to state and tried to keep it secret? Surgical strike is one of the funniest concept: throw a 500 kilos multi explosive heads on a target and pray that nobody on a radius of 5 kilometers get killed. They try, sure, but.... really not that hard.

Nameless, we're not carpet bombing them, we're not fire bombing them, we're not repeating what happened in Dresden.

Civillians die in war, it's IMPOSSIBLE to prevent War ain't pretty no matter how it's fought. I'm all for engaging in total warfare against the Taliban and Al Queda but it's hard to do that against groups instead of countries with physical boundries.

[El Kabong]

Haha, no gaming this time, Lyle.

Just a Neil Young album this time. It set the mind flowing. Not one of his best albums, but there are a few nice tunes on there.

I can listen to Neil Young songs and not be politically swayed by him....at the end of the day he is of course just a musician.

[Gandalf]

Haha, no gaming this time, Lyle.

Just a Neil Young album this time. It set the mind flowing. Not one of his best albums, but there are a few nice tunes on there.

I can listen to Neil Young songs and not be politically swayed by him....at the end of the day he is of course just a musician.

He is a smart guy with an opinion.

Nice way to deflect that your country has become the most corrupt, dangerous and twisted state in the world.

Seriously, you are Israel in the wing mirrors. It's just a case of building a wall for the poor now.