Now some time has passed.. Your final vote on Pac's refusal...

[erics44]

his excuse was so stupid that that makes him more guilty for me

[ross]

his excuse was so stupid that that makes him more guilty for me

Its the sort of thing that is so blatantly obvious its a joke. Him and his team would have known full well he would look as guilty as sin and then among other pathetic excuses to come out and say hes "scared of needles" When there is footage from 24/7 that shows him giving blood

I mean, what would the worse be that could have happened if he had just gone ahead with the fight and agreed to the tests? Hed be 50 million richer and he would have got over the beating by now too and would probably be having his comeback fight this month against Paulie

[Tysonbruno]

My opinion is if he has nothing to hide take the tests and make $40-50m but when he wanted 28 days Floyd offered 14 days and he still refused then said he wanted to be notified when they were coming its all a bit fishy to me. And to gain 40lbs and still be really ripped at only 5ft 6inch perhaps he does have something to hide and perhaps he looks a bit shit in training now because he is off the Performance Enhancing Drugs so he can agree to all the tests if he gets past Margarito. Thing is we will never know really but when guys like Teddy Atlas are putting thereselves on the line on tv and saying the Mayweathers got an email from Pacs team saying if anything was found in the tests could they keep it between themselves and some trainers over here had heard things about Pacquiao and drugs one being Dave Coldwell its all dont look good for Pacs case.

[erics44]

My opinion is if he has nothing to hide take the tests and make $40-50m but when he wanted 28 days Floyd offered 14 days and he still refused then said he wanted to be notified when they were coming its all a bit fishy to me. And to gain 40lbs and still be really ripped at only 5ft 6inch perhaps he does have something to hide and perhaps he looks a bit shit in training now because he is off the Performance Enhancing Drugs so he can agree to all the tests if he gets past Margarito. Thing is we will never know really but when guys like Teddy Atlas are putting thereselves on the line on tv and saying the Mayweathers got an email from Pacs team saying if anything was found in the tests could they keep it between themselves and some trainers over here had heard things about Pacquiao and drugs one being Dave Coldwell its all dont look good for Pacs case.

i believe that it is only posible to naturally put on a few pounds of lean muscle a year when you are over 23ish

[BIG H]

I'm going with number 2. But I suspect number 1

[Dizaster]

My opinion is if he has nothing to hide take the tests and make $40-50m but when he wanted 28 days Floyd offered 14 days and he still refused then said he wanted to be notified when they were coming its all a bit fishy to me. And to gain 40lbs and still be really ripped at only 5ft 6inch perhaps he does have something to hide and perhaps he looks a bit shit in training now because he is off the Performance Enhancing Drugs so he can agree to all the tests if he gets past Margarito. Thing is we will never know really but when guys like Teddy Atlas are putting thereselves on the line on tv and saying the Mayweathers got an email from Pacs team saying if anything was found in the tests could they keep it between themselves and some trainers over here had heard things about Pacquiao and drugs one being Dave Coldwell its all dont look good for Pacs case.

i believe that it is only posible to naturally put on a few pounds of lean muscle a year when you are over 23ish

I think the Philippine physique and genetics is a bit more blessed and I don't stretch to believe his physical growth while moving up weight is 100% possible naturally... I can't find any evidence there to suspect...

It's all the side evidence and bits and pieces which Bruno mentioned which is hard to get past when a fighter such as Pac let go the biggest fight of the last 15 years because of drug tests..

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I suspect Manny is quite egotistical in his own way so I'll give him the benefit of doubt and acknowledge the possibility that he wanted to simply say no because he refused to answer to Floyd BUT obvioulsy felt obliged... or pressured to give some kind of reasoning to the media.

Being the politician that he is, he came up with a load of bollocks that backfired on him.

Funny thing is, he didn't answer to Mayweather (and rightly so) but had to answer to the Media.
Who doesn't these days

[erics44]

I suspect Manny is quite egotistical in his own way so I'll give him the benefit of doubt and acknowledge the possibility that he wanted to simply say no because he refused to answer to Floyd BUT obvioulsy felt obliged... or pressured to give some kind of reasoning to the media.

Being the politician that he is, he came up with a load of bollocks that backfired on him.

Funny thing is, he didn't answer to Mayweather (and rightly so) but had to answer to the Media.
Who doesn't these days

that might be the case but if it was why didnt he just say that?

id of accepted it if he had and probably agreed with him

[erics44]

how much did he actually grow between say the marquez fight and the cotto fight?

anyone have any pics?