Now some time has passed.. Your final vote on Pac's refusal...

[erics44]

I suspect Manny is quite egotistical in his own way so I'll give him the benefit of doubt and acknowledge the possibility that he wanted to simply say no because he refused to answer to Floyd BUT obvioulsy felt obliged... or pressured to give some kind of reasoning to the media.

Being the politician that he is, he came up with a load of bollocks that backfired on him.

Funny thing is, he didn't answer to Mayweather (and rightly so) but had to answer to the Media.
Who doesn't these days

that might be the case but if it was why didnt he just say that?

id of accepted it if he had and probably agreed with him

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I suspect Manny is quite egotistical in his own way so I'll give him the benefit of doubt and acknowledge the possibility that he wanted to simply say no because he refused to answer to Floyd BUT obvioulsy felt obliged... or pressured to give some kind of reasoning to the media.

Being the politician that he is, he came up with a load of bollocks that backfired on him.

Funny thing is, he didn't answer to Mayweather (and rightly so) but had to answer to the Media.
Who doesn't these days

that might be the case but if it was why didnt he just say that?

[erics44]

I suspect Manny is quite egotistical in his own way so I'll give him the benefit of doubt and acknowledge the possibility that he wanted to simply say no because he refused to answer to Floyd BUT obvioulsy felt obliged... or pressured to give some kind of reasoning to the media.

Being the politician that he is, he came up with a load of bollocks that backfired on him.

Funny thing is, he didn't answer to Mayweather (and rightly so) but had to answer to the Media.
Who doesn't these days

that might be the case but if it was why didnt he just say that?

i cant see it man, they came up with a pretty aweful excuse

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

It's fairly obvious that it's blatant lies but if Manny had of just said 'NO!' without reason (besides not doing as he is told by the likes of Floyd Mayweather) then we'd all still be suspecting him of foul play.

But this is just blah. With out proof, he's just a shitty politician innocent liar.

[erics44]

he could have given a reason tho he could have just said

floyd, im not taking anymore tests, the board test us significantly already, do you doubt them? whats up are you scared to fight?

anyway like you said its just blah

[Hornfinger]

http://www.usada.org/sample-collecti...ponsibilities/

Read this page including the 'Note' at the bottom. That is the final word and there is nothing left to say on it.

[erics44]

http://www.usada.org/sample-collecti...ponsibilities/

Read this page including the 'Note' at the bottom. That is the final word and there is nothing left to say on it.

wasnt it an additional test outside the rules that floyd was asking for tho?

[:::PSL:::]

http://www.usada.org/sample-collecti...ponsibilities/

Read this page including the 'Note' at the bottom. That is the final word and there is nothing left to say on it.

Travis Tygart believe that EPO's and HGH can be flushed out from the system within five days and that a cheater if not blood tested within a week can escape being caught even if he took the blood test immediately after the fight. So why USADA stopped taking blood from Shane and Floyd 18 days before they fight?

[Mar]

.....Pac and his camp were all up to something, they all are. He's no worse than anyone else. Hell people know margarito cheated and look what's it's gotten him. Sadley this sport is full of crooks and shady people more than any other sport. From the hot dog guy at the arena to the media who report lies just as quick sometimes quicker than the truth to the promoters and tv companies who could care less who fights, wins or looses as long as they get paid. With or without drugs pac wouldn't beat floyd and that's just my opinion anyway. And floyd is no better he bends the rules if not breaks them along with the rest he just hasn't really gotten caught yet.

[The Fightfan]

I do believe the needles to close to a fight theory. My father is a good example. Whenever he would have blood taken he would be sick for a couple of days. I have seen it first hand. So I can't be swayed otherwise until Pac is proven guilty. We do have to remember Pac did advise to do it a little further from the fight day. I believe 21 days and Floyd denied.

[:::PSL:::]

I do believe the needles to close to a fight theory. My father is a good example. Whenever he would have blood taken he would be sick for a couple of days. I have seen it first hand. So I can't be swayed otherwise until Pac is proven guilty. We do have to remember Pac did advise to do it a little further from the fight day. I believe 21 days and Floyd denied.

The NSAC think so too. Floyd and Shane stopped testing 18 days before the fight cuz they're aware of potential danger of it too.

Testing RIGHT AFTER the fight is just as good testing right before the fight.

[Master]

I was hugely disappointed with Pac Man and as an athlete their is a presumption that if you do not take the test then you are at least not guilty which is why many sportsmen are punished. However he had agreed to fight Floyd later on in the year and I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Violent Demise]

Pacneedle's refusal to tests that Mayweather himself was willingly to take showed he's dirty. His acceptance of the same deal 8 months later proves without a doubt he's dirty. Why all of a sudden accept the same terms and conditions just like that? Why not accept them 8 months prior? Answer is obvious. He was dirty as fuck and spend the past 8 months completely cleaning out his system.

[Hornfinger]

Pacneedle's refusal to tests that Mayweather himself was willingly to take showed he's dirty. His acceptance of the same deal 8 months later proves without a doubt he's dirty. Why all of a sudden accept the same terms and conditions just like that? Why not accept them 8 months prior? Answer is obvious. He was dirty as fuck and spend the past 8 months completely cleaning out his system.

Yup! 110% agree with that.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pacneedle's refusal to tests that Mayweather himself was willingly to take showed he's dirty. His acceptance of the same deal 8 months later proves without a doubt he's dirty. Why all of a sudden accept the same terms and conditions just like that? Why not accept them 8 months prior? Answer is obvious. He was dirty as fuck and spend the past 8 months completely cleaning out his system.

It could be because those same terms and conditions are not being demanded by Mayweather this time around. Those are already out there. It's a clash of egos.