Quote Originally Posted by milmascaras1 View Post
titofan,

name me one fighter alive today who can match what julio cesar chavez sr. did? bet you can't find any because what he did was truly remarkable.

a. 89-0-1 75 KO's before suffering first defeat.
b. 3 division world champion before first defeat.
c. 23 successful title defenses before first defeat.
d. 27 successful title defenses (all-time record).
e. 31-4-2 record in title fights (37) all-time record).
f. 9 years as world champion before first loss. simply incredible!!!
g. 16 successful title defenses at jr. welter. another record.
h. 21 total fights vs. world champions. 15-4-2 record.

oh, and by the way, he may have had his share of fighting taxicab drivers to gain more experience but he NEVER lost to any of them in his prime! with the exception of bazooka limon early to mid career, he never fought washed up fighters, champions or contenders.

kinda hard to admit how great he was that's why i posted some of his accomplishments!

Save your stats, mil... the same ones you trot out every time we get on the subject. I'm not, and haven't been arguing against Julio Cesar's greatness as a fighter. I'm just saying two things: 1) his 100+ wins should NOT BE COMPARED to the records of other fighters, because he fought a bunch of tomato cans well into his 40-some fights. And before you or your homies chime in about JCC not having an amateur career... save it. We're not talking amateur careers here. We're talking about putting "W"s on a professional record. Whether or not you've had an amateur career should not come into the argument here. Why skew a professional record with a bunch of wins against nobodies? It's a pointless argument. You're wrong, and you know it.

Oh... I said two things. The other one is: 2) he's a jerk. A class-A, bonafide, 100% USDA jerk. Totally classless when he got whipped by Frankie Randall, and never giving any credit to anybody. AND... he's bringing Junior along the same way. He's the typical, over-bearing ex-fighter dad.

Those are my points, and nothing your stats say can change that.