The Case Against Julio Cesar Chavez

[ElTerribleMorales]

titofan,

see, you can never, ever win this argument about chavez sr., because what he did was absolutely, positively, immortal. nice try though!

Roberto Duran shits all over Julio Cesar Chavez's accomplishments, see cause although Chavez was a great fighter and is considered the greatest Mexican fighter of all time, Duran is the greatest Lightweight of all time and well straight from the horses mouth (Chavez himself says it) THE GREATEST LATINO FIGHTER OF ALL TIME!

and before you try to say it's bullshit, he's recorded saying it in the documentary Champions Forever-Latin Legends of Boxing

[milmascaras1]

morales,

there isn't any doubt roberto duran is the greatest latin fighter of all-time. i never said chavez sr. was. in fact, there have been many great latin fighters in history and chavez is probably only top 5. i've always considered duran the greatest latino ever, no argument from me!

[Spicoli]

Am I imagining things or has this thread been edited big time

[Chino]

And for the umpteenth time... I haven't argued that JCC doesn't belong in the HOF... have I.

Just not on "god status".

I somehow don’t feel he is given a god status like Manny Pacquiao. All I read in the news is that he was a HOF guy and that was it.

Clever, but inappropriate. You can't compare a boxer fighting tomato cans and padding his professional record to a Wall Street upstart with a knack for picking stocks. It doesn't work that way, and comes across as a gigantic reach. But nice try

Then just stop to think about your typical boxer out there. How much experience does he have? Typically, more than 100 amateur fights, golden glove exposure, olympic exposure, and so on. So when a guy with no amateur career what so ever or other kind of exposure goes pro right from the start you are pretty much having an amateur guy with no experience facing guys with double/triple the experience. So if a guy like that has a belt already by fight #50, you are seeing an amateur with barely 50 fights as a champion. A newbie/rookie beating guys who have way more experience/exposure than him. As simple as that.

As for the 100 fights. I am not saying that is an accomplishment. There are guys who have way more fights in their resume but haven’t accomplished squat as JCC. Should it matter if JCC has 500 or 35 fights? What matters are his accomplishments (which MilMascaras mentioned).

Don’t pay attention to how many fights he has, pay attention to his accomplishments and if you agree he does have some admirable accomplishments then, there you go! Now you know why he’s a Hall of Famer.

[ElTerribleMorales]

And for the umpteenth time... I haven't argued that JCC doesn't belong in the HOF... have I.

Just not on "god status".

I somehow don’t feel he is given a god status like Manny Pacquiao. All I read in the news is that he was a HOF guy and that was it.

Clever, but inappropriate. You can't compare a boxer fighting tomato cans and padding his professional record to a Wall Street upstart with a knack for picking stocks. It doesn't work that way, and comes across as a gigantic reach. But nice try

Then just stop to think about your typical boxer out there. How much experience does he have? Typically, more than 100 amateur fights, golden glove exposure, olympic exposure, and so on. So when a guy with no amateur career what so ever or other kind of exposure goes pro right from the start you are pretty much having an amateur guy with no experience facing guys with double/triple the experience. So if a guy like that has a belt already by fight #50, you are seeing an amateur with barely 50 fights as a champion. A newbie/rookie beating guys who have way more experience/exposure than him. As simple as that.

As for the 100 fights. I am not saying that is an accomplishment. There are guys who have way more fights in their resume but haven’t accomplished squat as JCC. Should it matter if JCC has 500 or 35 fights? What matters are his accomplishments (which MilMascaras mentioned).

Don’t pay attention to how many fights he has, pay attention to his accomplishments and if you agree he does have some admirable accomplishments then, there you go! Now you know why he’s a Hall of Famer.

that's right, you're not making the 100 wins thing as an accomplishment, milmascaras is, and that's who Titofan called out on that crap, there are plenty of fighters out there who had had little amateur experience and gone on to have solid careers, hell in the days of John L. Sullivan and James J. Corbett there was no such thing as amateur boxing, no one is debating whether he's a hall of famer, don't get why you and mascaras can't process that bit of information

[Chino]

Let's forget the more than 100 fights, forget the fact he fought some guys who were not well-known, forget the fact that he is friendly nice guy or a complete jerk, etc. He is a Hall of Famer for the admirable accomplishments that have already been mentioned here. Don't know what is left to debate.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Let's forget the more than 100 fights, forget the fact he fought some guys who were not well-known, forget the fact that he is friendly nice guy or a complete jerk, etc. He is a Hall of Famer for the admirable accomplishments that have already been mentioned here. Don't know what is left to debate.

well it's easy, milmascaras is in this thread, so he's not gonna be happy until everyone volunteers to teabag Chavez's nuts as he does