Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
JCC is an atg, sure he had a few bums on his resume here and there even after a certain point, but again who doesn't? Duran is 1 of my favorite fighters ever, but after he was LW champ, he still fought some guys with shit records. After the Buchannan fight for the LW title he fought a guy that was 11-3-1 and then fought a guy that was 12-10 before he fought De Jesus, he also had a few guys that were 0-3 and 0-2 a few times, and this is a prime Duran. Marvin Hagler had a very good amateur career, fought mostly bums with shit records for his first 49 fights before facing Anterfuomo. Some really atrocious records those fighters had, and Hagler is one of the top 3 fighters in my list.

So I don't know why people are pointing this out about JCC, it's not a big deal imo.
This. I find a lot of people like to glorify the records of older fighters while more recent guys get given a lot of shit unfairly. An example would be seeing how the records of Oscar, Manny & Floyd actually stack up against those legends of the past, when you actually look at it they've got resumes that do stack up, it just doesn't suit their detractors to ackowledge it. I'll disagree about Hagler, I think he fought pretty damn good opp on the way up against guys who nobody wanted to fight, but his resume is not the beast many claim it to be if you consider that his most notable wins were against smaller guys coming up.

The rest I agree with. Even though I feel JCC gets a little overrated by some, he was actually a tremendously skilled fighter with his head movement & his work on the inside, it's just against quicker opposition (i.e. the Taylor & Oscar fights, the main ones people have seen) this wasn't always so apparent. It's like the idea that Duran was some face-first brawling pressure fighter that gets pushed around because people have only seen the Leonard & Hearns fights

As for the OP, not a 1st ballot Hall of Famer, get a grip. More than anyone else on this year's ballot (& I include Tyson in that), he deserves the first vote. Would you really have Kostya Tszyu in before him