Did that fight really make people believe that Manny will be able to beat Floyd?

[Taeth]

Nah Floyd won't be moving forward and will be countering Pac all day long!

That's what people told me he would do against Shane.

[Gandalf]

I am convinced of it. I know styles make fights, but Pac is the all round package. Floyd is getting on now and has only recently beaten fighters who are getting on themselves or are totally out of their weight class. I question Floyds hunger and I question just how far beyond his own peak he is himself. The younger Floyd was a beast, but the older one is so much more conservative. He potshots and his legs are going. He cannot trade with Manny because Manny will keep on trading after Floyd has finished his 2-3 punch combination. And while Floyd is shelled up Manny will just hit everything else. Not scoring punches, but enough to keep Floyd from taking too many risks. Floyd can't take risks because Manny is quicker and will hurt him more.

Manny is just too good right now and I don't think anybody, not even Floyd, can keep him at bay over 12 rounds.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Nah, Lately Manny looks great but as someone already stated it was against guys with asterisks by their names because of the circumstances surrounding them entering the fights. Oh wait so does floyd.... Old oscar, hatton sucks at 147, JMM was two divisions smaller, Shane was 38 and overtrained, etc etc etc...

Nevertheless I think Floyd exploits Manny's balance, but it will be very difficult to catch all those punches from the angles that Manny throws them. I think the only reason FLoyd fought JMM was to prove to himself that he could he beat Pacman. But yeah Floyd still wins, either on the inside or outside he'll win however he chooses to because he has too much knowledge...

[Taeth]

Nah, Lately Manny looks great but as someone already stated it was against guys with asterisks by their names because of the circumstances surrounding them entering the fights. Oh wait so does floyd.... Old oscar, hatton sucks at 147, JMM was two divisions smaller, Shane was 38 and overtrained, etc etc etc...

Nevertheless I think Floyd exploits Manny's balance, but it will be very difficult to catch all those punches from the angles that Manny throws them. I think the only reason FLoyd fought JMM was to prove to himself that he could he beat Pacman. But yeah Floyd still wins, either on the inside or outside he'll win however he chooses to because he has too much knowledge...

When FLoyd fought Oscar, De La Hoya had the same size advantage weight wise that Margarito had over Manny. Floyd came in at 150 and Oscar was at least 165 for that fight. But it was Oscar, a guy way faster than Margarito, way more skilled, a bigger puncher and a guy who used to beat of Antonio when they sparred together. Oscar still had his speed and he honestly was better defensively than he had been in years.

Against Manny he weighed 148 coming, and actually was outweighed by Manny on fight night.

I give both Manny and Floyd credit for beating Hatton. I think there is no proof Hatton looked bad at welterweight, he just looked bad against southpaws if his career said anything. He looked fast, and extremely sharp when he fought Floyd, but Floyd was sharper and surprisingly a better inside fighter despite the fact Hatton was naturally bigger and stronger. Shane Mosley was overtrained? Give me a break, Marquez didn't use that excuse when their bout was pushed back and he isn't super young, guys like Floyd and Hopkins work hard year round when they are fighting and they don't complain about being overtrained. Mayweather actually trains hard all the way up to the fight which most guys consider suicide. I remember fight week for the Gatti fight, Floyd actually when to a local gym and took all comers, and actually reportedly stopped most of the guys he faced.

[Taeth]

I am convinced of it. I know styles make fights, but Pac is the all round package. Floyd is getting on now and has only recently beaten fighters who are getting on themselves or are totally out of their weight class. I question Floyds hunger and I question just how far beyond his own peak he is himself. The younger Floyd was a beast, but the older one is so much more conservative. He potshots and his legs are going. He cannot trade with Manny because Manny will keep on trading after Floyd has finished his 2-3 punch combination. And while Floyd is shelled up Manny will just hit everything else. Not scoring punches, but enough to keep Floyd from taking too many risks. Floyd can't take risks because Manny is quicker and will hurt him more.

Manny is just too good right now and I don't think anybody, not even Floyd, can keep him at bay over 12 rounds.

Why would Floyd trade with Manny? Marquez doesn't throw the same combinations that Manny does and he outboxed Manny at points in their fights, and he is nowhere near as fast as Floyd. And watching Manny throw anything except combinations Floyd is faster than him when it comes to individual punches, and Pacquiao won't be able to unload combinations when everytime he's about to get started he gets popped hard by Floyd.

We've seen time and time again that Manny doesn't throw as many punches when guys are landing cleanly on him and he isn't landing cleanly in return. Against Clottey I consider it landing while not landing, He wasn't hitting Clottey cleanly 90% of the time, but it's different missing the target all together. There are no signs that Floyd's legs are going at all, We've seen him fight more physically in his last two fights, and he didn't really need to use footwork, but we did see when Floyd pulled back and away from Marquez and Mosley they weren't fast enough to land anything on him.

I was very surprised by the amount of times I saw Margarito land horribly slow punches on Manny. Pacquiao has become such a combination punching machine that he hasn't developed a slow, methodical style as well, and Floyd will slow his output down, and make it his type of fight. Manny will be lost by the middle rounds and Floyd might even stop him late with the consistent body attack he uses on southpaws.