Did that fight really make people believe that Manny will be able to beat Floyd?

[chinchekked]

This performance should have no influence whatsoever on people's opinions of a mayweather v pacquiao outcome. Bottom line it that they are both extremely gifted and have both beat people much bigger than them now. I am not a fan of Mayweather's persona but let's not forget about what he did to a much bigger Corrales. Not taking side but just throwing that out there for arguments sake.

[El Kabong]

I'll take Pac over Mayweather all day now......Money May doesn't want any of that and if Mosley and some other guys can touch Floyd then you have to figure as fast as Manny can put punches together that he can not only hurt Floyd but drop him too and more than likely stop him. I know Margarito isn't a top defensive fighter and neither was Hatton or Cotto or even De la Hoya but Manny can bring the pain and I'd say those guys are all pretty tough and Manny just walked right through them for the most part.

I must say I will thoroughly enjoy seeing Mayweather get his shit handed to him.

[:::PSL:::]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

[El Kabong]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

More like it made Floyd say "Damn I didn't even beat my Baby Mama that bad"




.....yes I know domestic violence is not a funny issue

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I still believe 100% Floyd beats Pac no problem i think Roach and Pacquiao just do a good job at fooling everyone end of the day these recent opponents have recently been beaten or have had to make a catchweight or both.

Morales washed up Zahir Raheem beat him easy for god sake

David Diaz very nearly lost to the washed up Morales

De la Hoya weight drained beyond belief had to be re hydrated by IV before fight

Hatton was basically done after Mayweather look at the Lazcano fight

Cotto already been demolished by Margarito and nearly lost to Clottey and had to weigh 145lbs

Clottey just came to survive 12 rounds had been beaten by Cotto already

Margarito had been demolished by Mosley in his fight before last and was having to come down to 150lbs

Just out of curiosity, can you answer for me this question. When do you think Pacquiao and Mayweather reached their prime and when do you think it started declining, or do you still consider them to be in their prime?

[Kel]

The fight made me think Pac can beat Margarito

I've wanted to see a Floyd/Pac fight for a while now because it should be a good one. Not sure who wins it, which is why it will be a cracking fight.

[:::PSL:::]

Actually, it's more like... that fight made most people believe Floyd shit his pants last night.

More like it made Floyd say "Damn I didn't even beat my Baby Mama that bad"




.....yes I know domestic violence is not a funny issue

Lmfao!

[Right Handed Southpaw]

I wish Floyd was as confident in his skills as some of the responses I've seen in this thread.

I've thought Manny would beat Floyd long before last nights bout. The shoulder roll isn't nearly as effective versus southpaws, Manny is just as fast, with more power, and throws at least twice as many punches, accurately. Seeing how Corley and Judah were able to touch up Floyd, I don't see Manny having that problem at all. Combine that with Mannys angles, and ability to finish, and it spells disaster for Floyd. His father knows it, he knows it, we all know it.

Its exactly why Floyd needs all of these extra tests even though he says Manny is one dimensional, ordinary, easy work and easy money.

If Manny was all that,

Floyd would have done it already.

[Master]

I was convinced Floyd would beat Pac after dominating Shane like no other fighter has especially after coming back from the shaky round. After Manny Pac's last performance, I simply do not know. Manny was awesome in that fight against a bigger, stronger and durable fighter. Yet Manny took the uppercuts and body shots and punched in flurries throughout the fight. He was amzazing, I just want the fight to happen but simply cannot pick a winner.

[Rantcatrat]

No, because Margarito is nothing like Floyd. Who cares though? We will see Manny fight again before we see him fight Floyd. I bet against Shane and this last fight did convince me that he will beat Shane.

[Cressa121]

I thought Mayweather would beat Pac before last night and I still believe he will. Hopefully we'll get the fight when his legal issues are cleared up, and it should be a terrific fight. I see Pac being a huge test, but I can't see him being too busy if whenever he throws 3-4 punch combos he misses and gets tagged by a hard counter. I could well be wrong and it may be that Floyd will have no answer to the punches in bunches etc that Manny will throw, but I just see him walking him onto counters all night. Should be fascinating to watch though, if it ever happens. Which could be a big if.

[Taeth]

I am convinced of it. I know styles make fights, but Pac is the all round package. Floyd is getting on now and has only recently beaten fighters who are getting on themselves or are totally out of their weight class. I question Floyds hunger and I question just how far beyond his own peak he is himself. The younger Floyd was a beast, but the older one is so much more conservative. He potshots and his legs are going. He cannot trade with Manny because Manny will keep on trading after Floyd has finished his 2-3 punch combination. And while Floyd is shelled up Manny will just hit everything else. Not scoring punches, but enough to keep Floyd from taking too many risks. Floyd can't take risks because Manny is quicker and will hurt him more.

Manny is just too good right now and I don't think anybody, not even Floyd, can keep him at bay over 12 rounds.

Why would Floyd trade with Manny? Marquez doesn't throw the same combinations that Manny does and he outboxed Manny at points in their fights, and he is nowhere near as fast as Floyd. And watching Manny throw anything except combinations Floyd is faster than him when it comes to individual punches, and Pacquiao won't be able to unload combinations when everytime he's about to get started he gets popped hard by Floyd.

We've seen time and time again that Manny doesn't throw as many punches when guys are landing cleanly on him and he isn't landing cleanly in return. Against Clottey I consider it landing while not landing, He wasn't hitting Clottey cleanly 90% of the time, but it's different missing the target all together. There are no signs that Floyd's legs are going at all, We've seen him fight more physically in his last two fights, and he didn't really need to use footwork, but we did see when Floyd pulled back and away from Marquez and Mosley they weren't fast enough to land anything on him.

I was very surprised by the amount of times I saw Margarito land horribly slow punches on Manny. Pacquiao has become such a combination punching machine that he hasn't developed a slow, methodical style as well, and Floyd will slow his output down, and make it his type of fight. Manny will be lost by the middle rounds and Floyd might even stop him late with the consistent body attack he uses on southpaws.

[Taeth]

Nah, Lately Manny looks great but as someone already stated it was against guys with asterisks by their names because of the circumstances surrounding them entering the fights. Oh wait so does floyd.... Old oscar, hatton sucks at 147, JMM was two divisions smaller, Shane was 38 and overtrained, etc etc etc...

Nevertheless I think Floyd exploits Manny's balance, but it will be very difficult to catch all those punches from the angles that Manny throws them. I think the only reason FLoyd fought JMM was to prove to himself that he could he beat Pacman. But yeah Floyd still wins, either on the inside or outside he'll win however he chooses to because he has too much knowledge...

When FLoyd fought Oscar, De La Hoya had the same size advantage weight wise that Margarito had over Manny. Floyd came in at 150 and Oscar was at least 165 for that fight. But it was Oscar, a guy way faster than Margarito, way more skilled, a bigger puncher and a guy who used to beat of Antonio when they sparred together. Oscar still had his speed and he honestly was better defensively than he had been in years.

Against Manny he weighed 148 coming, and actually was outweighed by Manny on fight night.

I give both Manny and Floyd credit for beating Hatton. I think there is no proof Hatton looked bad at welterweight, he just looked bad against southpaws if his career said anything. He looked fast, and extremely sharp when he fought Floyd, but Floyd was sharper and surprisingly a better inside fighter despite the fact Hatton was naturally bigger and stronger. Shane Mosley was overtrained? Give me a break, Marquez didn't use that excuse when their bout was pushed back and he isn't super young, guys like Floyd and Hopkins work hard year round when they are fighting and they don't complain about being overtrained. Mayweather actually trains hard all the way up to the fight which most guys consider suicide. I remember fight week for the Gatti fight, Floyd actually when to a local gym and took all comers, and actually reportedly stopped most of the guys he faced.

[Taeth]

I wish Floyd was as confident in his skills as some of the responses I've seen in this thread.

I've thought Manny would beat Floyd long before last nights bout. The shoulder roll isn't nearly as effective versus southpaws, Manny is just as fast, with more power, and throws at least twice as many punches, accurately. Seeing how Corley and Judah were able to touch up Floyd, I don't see Manny having that problem at all. Combine that with Mannys angles, and ability to finish, and it spells disaster for Floyd. His father knows it, he knows it, we all know it.

Its exactly why Floyd needs all of these extra tests even though he says Manny is one dimensional, ordinary, easy work and easy money.

If Manny was all that,

Floyd would have done it already.

He said the same thing about Mosley, but they didn't fight until they did and look what Mayweather showed us, same with every other guy he faced pretty much. Even after Castillo 1 where he tore his rotator cuff, he said he felt it wasn't that difficult of a fight and faced the toughest challenge of his career again, immediately.

[mafiajoey]

I wish Floyd was as confident in his skills as some of the responses I've seen in this thread.

I've thought Manny would beat Floyd long before last nights bout. The shoulder roll isn't nearly as effective versus southpaws, Manny is just as fast, with more power, and throws at least twice as many punches, accurately. Seeing how Corley and Judah were able to touch up Floyd, I don't see Manny having that problem at all. Combine that with Mannys angles, and ability to finish, and it spells disaster for Floyd. His father knows it, he knows it, we all know it.

Its exactly why Floyd needs all of these extra tests even though he says Manny is one dimensional, ordinary, easy work and easy money.

If Manny was all that,

Floyd would have done it already.

Cause Roids are Roids