Did Margarito redeem himself in the ring?

[Youngblood]

He didn't prove anything that wasn't already known. He has heart in the ring and a granite chin, that is all. And I would respect that in anyone else but him.

[Nameless]

Proving that you have heart can't redeem you from having willingly tried to use a weapon in the ring, period.

[:::PSL:::]

Fuck man. Didn't he try to cheat again with the banned substance?

[Gandalf]

To a degree, I do think he has redeemed himself.

He wasn't wearing wraps and hurt the best fighter in the world. This suggests to me that he can punch and that he doesn't need wraps to put a dent in someone. He said that he would hurt Manny as though he was wearing wraps and he did. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as none of us knows the truth about whether wraps were used before Mosley or not. Margarito has always denied it and his trainer has taken all responsibility. I now think he busted up Cotto without assistance and think he would do so again. Margarito can punch and doesn't hit like a girl like Roach has suggested. The man can dig. To that extent he has perhaps answered some questions.

I also respect him for giving it his all and never going on his bike or covering up like Clottey, hoping the wasps would just stop stinging. Maybe it was foolish to keep on going, but part of me has to really respect him for it. He has not only taken the suspension, but has also given it his all. You cannot question Margarito's effort. He didn't go out on the canvas like against Mosley, but saw it through to the bitter end.

Margarito is a tough son of a gun and has proven he can go the distance with the best in the world. A little bit like Lamotta/Robinson where Lamotta was crucified. There is something noble in a man who is being pounded like a mashed strawberry, but won't stop coming forward. There is something of Don Quixote in the madness, and that's a great quality.

Margarito has paid his dues IMO. He should now be left alone.

[generalbulldog]

To a degree, I do think he has redeemed himself.

He wasn't wearing wraps and hurt the best fighter in the world. This suggests to me that he can punch and that he doesn't need wraps to put a dent in someone. He said that he would hurt Manny as though he was wearing wraps and he did. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as none of us knows the truth about whether wraps were used before Mosley or not. Margarito has always denied it and his trainer has taken all responsibility. I now think he busted up Cotto without assistance and think he would do so again. Margarito can punch and doesn't hit like a girl like Roach has suggested. The man can dig. To that extent he has perhaps answered some questions.

I also respect him for giving it his all and never going on his bike or covering up like Clottey, hoping the wasps would just stop stinging. Maybe it was foolish to keep on going, but part of me has to really respect him for it. He has not only taken the suspension, but has also given it his all. You cannot question Margarito's effort. He didn't go out on the canvas like against Mosley, but saw it through to the bitter end.

Margarito is a tough son of a gun and has proven he can go the distance with the best in the world. A little bit like Lamotta/Robinson where Lamotta was crucified. There is something noble in a man who is being pounded like a mashed strawberry, but won't stop coming forward. There is something of Don Quixote in the madness, and that's a great quality.

Margarito has paid his dues IMO. He should now be left alone.

I know where you're coming from, to me PARTIALLY he has redeem himself. I did mentioned that it has to be also outside of the ring. Meaning he should say he messed up or admit guilt or whatever, sure that's probably career suicide, but he's getting around 6 mill (when you factor in a cut of the PPV sales) for probably his last big fight.

Maybe I'm just a big softy, I thought I would enjoy seeing Margo get a beat down like that, but after a while I was thinking the guy's corner or ref needed to stop it.

[Gandalf]

To a degree, I do think he has redeemed himself.

He wasn't wearing wraps and hurt the best fighter in the world. This suggests to me that he can punch and that he doesn't need wraps to put a dent in someone. He said that he would hurt Manny as though he was wearing wraps and he did. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as none of us knows the truth about whether wraps were used before Mosley or not. Margarito has always denied it and his trainer has taken all responsibility. I now think he busted up Cotto without assistance and think he would do so again. Margarito can punch and doesn't hit like a girl like Roach has suggested. The man can dig. To that extent he has perhaps answered some questions.

I also respect him for giving it his all and never going on his bike or covering up like Clottey, hoping the wasps would just stop stinging. Maybe it was foolish to keep on going, but part of me has to really respect him for it. He has not only taken the suspension, but has also given it his all. You cannot question Margarito's effort. He didn't go out on the canvas like against Mosley, but saw it through to the bitter end.

Margarito is a tough son of a gun and has proven he can go the distance with the best in the world. A little bit like Lamotta/Robinson where Lamotta was crucified. There is something noble in a man who is being pounded like a mashed strawberry, but won't stop coming forward. There is something of Don Quixote in the madness, and that's a great quality.

Margarito has paid his dues IMO. He should now be left alone.

I know where you're coming from, to me PARTIALLY he has redeem himself. I did mentioned that it has to be also outside of the ring. Meaning he should say he messed up or admit guilt or whatever, sure that's probably career suicide, but he's getting around 6 mill (when you factor in a cut of the PPV sales) for probably his last big fight.

Maybe I'm just a big softy, I thought I would enjoy seeing Margo get a beat down like that, but after a while I was thinking the guy's corner or ref needed to stop it.

But if the man really feels he has done no wrong then what can you do? We have nothing hard on him directly in terms of evidence. His trainer has already taken the 'wrap' (ahem). Someone else has also pointed out that after the Cotto fight he was walking around with his wraps open to the full view of the world. Not a hint of guilt in him. Maybe there were no dodgy wraps, maybe he didn't know....maybe they were there and everyone was too blind to see it. Maybe there were dodgy wraps and everyone else in every single one of his fights was too blind to see it too. We really don't know and if the man swears blind, then there isn't much you can do. He could just be telling the truth. I don't know either, but through pain comes redemption and you sense that Margarito has suffered a fair bit of pain and more so after that beat down.

I was the same regarding the fight. After the 8th I began to get a bit bored with the actual fight as it was becoming too one sided. Margarito was coming back with less and he looked awful in terms of the damage around the face. It should have been stopped, I actually began to feel a bit sorry for him, but at the same time wanted him to just see it through. But for sure, it should have been stopped. That damage was just far too much.