Did Margarito redeem himself in the ring?

[fan johnny]

Miles Margarito and his former trainer were banned for a reason. #1 What do you expect them to say about the wraps? The truth? I don't think so #2 Why did they have the plaster of paris wraps anyway I mean is it just me or is that something that a boxing trainer shouldn't have in his bag EVER much less the night of a big fight.

1) Maybe that's where I am just too nice. A fighter denies it and always denies it, but serves the penalty, what can you do? Why did nobody look at Cotto's face and then check the wraps after the fight? They were open and there for the world to see. It is up to the corner to check the wraps, are we to assume that no corner ever checked Margarito's wraps? It sounds crazy because that's surely an automatic thing for an opposing camp to do before a fight. Is it only Richardson that checks wraps? If Margarito denies it then that is his truth. We can all argue against it, but those arguments are all circumstantial.

2) No, it should never have been there. They were banned for good reason and apparently the trainer is still pretty much blacklisted. But if Margarito is going to fight and the wraps are checked then I have no issues with him fighting on.

A beating like that makes me want to just take a step back and say "that's enough". We can go back and forth forever on this. But I am a guy that is willing to forgive and move on. Margarito can punch and hurt the best, that makes me believe he can do it to lesser fighters too. If he had only tapped Manny then I would be full of more doubts, but as it stands, I am not.

I pretty much agree with your first post. except for leaving him alone. There will be no degree of forgiveness he will ever receive from some people. They have their opinion. He showed us his heart in two ways. He has the heart of a champion but he also bears the heart of evil. "Pretending" to be apathetic about the hand wraps and mocking Roach with his antics is deplorable. To me this is not the act of an innocent or concerned man. He even failed to admit this was a mistake. Then he tried to cover it up by saying he didn't know Roach had Parkinson's. Just how stupid does he think people are?

I too have petty for the man getting the shit beat out of him, but there is also a measure of justice and retribution I feel is necessary. He had no chance after the 10th round and should have quit so perhaps he actually felt the need to be punished. That might satisfy the retribution but in order to receive forgiveness, he has to admit or accept his guilt. He may have done his time but the Commission felt he had no remorse, or that he didn't accept responsibility for not trying to stop a crime most believe he knew was going to take place. Otherwise they would have given him a license back. So if they do not feel he deserves redemption, then why should I?

[Gandalf]

Miles Margarito and his former trainer were banned for a reason. #1 What do you expect them to say about the wraps? The truth? I don't think so #2 Why did they have the plaster of paris wraps anyway I mean is it just me or is that something that a boxing trainer shouldn't have in his bag EVER much less the night of a big fight.

1) Maybe that's where I am just too nice. A fighter denies it and always denies it, but serves the penalty, what can you do? Why did nobody look at Cotto's face and then check the wraps after the fight? They were open and there for the world to see. It is up to the corner to check the wraps, are we to assume that no corner ever checked Margarito's wraps? It sounds crazy because that's surely an automatic thing for an opposing camp to do before a fight. Is it only Richardson that checks wraps? If Margarito denies it then that is his truth. We can all argue against it, but those arguments are all circumstantial.

2) No, it should never have been there. They were banned for good reason and apparently the trainer is still pretty much blacklisted. But if Margarito is going to fight and the wraps are checked then I have no issues with him fighting on.

A beating like that makes me want to just take a step back and say "that's enough". We can go back and forth forever on this. But I am a guy that is willing to forgive and move on. Margarito can punch and hurt the best, that makes me believe he can do it to lesser fighters too. If he had only tapped Manny then I would be full of more doubts, but as it stands, I am not.

I pretty much agree with your first post. except for leaving him alone. There will be no degree of forgiveness he will ever receive from some people. They have their opinion. He showed us his heart in two ways. He has the heart of a champion but he also bears the heart of evil. "Pretending" to be apathetic about the hand wraps and mocking Roach with his antics is deplorable. To me this is not the act of an innocent or concerned man. He even failed to admit this was a mistake. Then he tried to cover it up by saying he didn't know Roach had Parkinson's. Just how stupid does he think people are?

I too have petty for the man getting the shit beat out of him, but there is also a measure of justice and retribution I feel is necessary. He had no chance after the 10th round and should have quit so perhaps he actually felt the need to be punished. That might satisfy the retribution but in order to receive forgiveness, he has to admit or accept his guilt. He may have done his time but the Commission felt he had no remorse, or that he didn't accept responsibility for not trying to stop a crime most believe he knew was going to take place. Otherwise they would have given him a license back. So if they do not feel he deserves redemption, then why should I?

He did not mock Freddie Roach. He has no reason to apologise for that whatsover.

You simply watch too much mainstream TV and believe what you see. Like most muppets in fact, so I don't blame you for this. But in terms of this argument, you are completely wrong.

Margarito responded to a question and was simply saying that Roach is scary. That is what really happened. Sure Rios overstepped the line and Garcia wasn't too cool. But Margarito actually did nothing wrong here.

You talk about accepting guilt? But the man denies any wrongdoing. Maybe someone should get him drunk and do a Hatton on him and make him confess but the guy seems pretty resolute to me.

Until proven guilty again, you have to let him go.

[:::PSL:::]

He did not mock Freddie Roach.

Yes he did.

[fan johnny]

Miles Margarito and his former trainer were banned for a reason. #1 What do you expect them to say about the wraps? The truth? I don't think so #2 Why did they have the plaster of paris wraps anyway I mean is it just me or is that something that a boxing trainer shouldn't have in his bag EVER much less the night of a big fight.

1) Maybe that's where I am just too nice. A fighter denies it and always denies it, but serves the penalty, what can you do? Why did nobody look at Cotto's face and then check the wraps after the fight? They were open and there for the world to see. It is up to the corner to check the wraps, are we to assume that no corner ever checked Margarito's wraps? It sounds crazy because that's surely an automatic thing for an opposing camp to do before a fight. Is it only Richardson that checks wraps? If Margarito denies it then that is his truth. We can all argue against it, but those arguments are all circumstantial.

2) No, it should never have been there. They were banned for good reason and apparently the trainer is still pretty much blacklisted. But if Margarito is going to fight and the wraps are checked then I have no issues with him fighting on.

A beating like that makes me want to just take a step back and say "that's enough". We can go back and forth forever on this. But I am a guy that is willing to forgive and move on. Margarito can punch and hurt the best, that makes me believe he can do it to lesser fighters too. If he had only tapped Manny then I would be full of more doubts, but as it stands, I am not.

I pretty much agree with your first post. except for leaving him alone. There will be no degree of forgiveness he will ever receive from some people. They have their opinion. He showed us his heart in two ways. He has the heart of a champion but he also bears the heart of evil. "Pretending" to be apathetic about the hand wraps and mocking Roach with his antics is deplorable. To me this is not the act of an innocent or concerned man. He even failed to admit this was a mistake. Then he tried to cover it up by saying he didn't know Roach had Parkinson's. Just how stupid does he think people are?

I too have petty for the man getting the shit beat out of him, but there is also a measure of justice and retribution I feel is necessary. He had no chance after the 10th round and should have quit so perhaps he actually felt the need to be punished. That might satisfy the retribution but in order to receive forgiveness, he has to admit or accept his guilt. He may have done his time but the Commission felt he had no remorse, or that he didn't accept responsibility for not trying to stop a crime most believe he knew was going to take place. Otherwise they would have given him a license back. So if they do not feel he deserves redemption, then why should I?

He did not mock Freddie Roach. He has no reason to apologise for that whatsover.

You simply watch too much mainstream TV and believe what you see. Like most muppets in fact, so I don't blame you for this. But in terms of this argument, you are completely wrong.

Margarito responded to a question and was simply saying that Roach is scary. That is what really happened. Sure Rios overstepped the line and Garcia wasn't too cool. But Margarito actually did nothing wrong here.

You talk about accepting guilt? But the man denies any wrongdoing. Maybe someone should get him drunk and do a Hatton on him and make him confess but the guy seems pretty resolute to me.

Until proven guilty again, you have to let him go.

Well, I looked at the original fan house video before it went viral and it looked exactly like mocking to me and it was explained as mocking. Putting a brick on your hands as if you are innocent of wrong doing when your license was revoked because of it is absolutely lunacy. He is obviously 'pretending' not to care. You say his antics were mimicking Roach being scared? So then tell me, why does he laugh so hard at Rio's Mocking Roach? It's con game dude, wake up!

If you got into a car and the driver was drunk off his ass and you did nothing to stop the accident sure to happen, you'd be as guilty as the driver. So you don't need to tell me the man is not guilty, it's my opinion. why? The commissions job is to enforce the rules. They looked at the 'evidence' and made an 'informed judgment'. The man was found guilty by the commission and given a penalty for it. If there was any doubt they wouldn't have revoked his license. Bob Arum is the only person ever to say there was no evidence that Margarito 'knew' he had loaded wraps. The fact is his wraps were loaded, and Margarito just 'claims' he didn't know. No one can 'prove' what someone is thinking or believes. This is just Lawyer speak to cast doubt. You choose to believe him. I say his actions speak volumes more than his words. You have to remember Arum is a Lawyer.

[Fenster]

Taking a beating doesn't erase the fact he's a dirty cheating cunt. Even if he was killed he would still be a dirty cheating cunt.

Every comment I read about "Margarito is showing great heart" I thought was pathetic. There was never any doubt he couldn't absorb serious punishment.

[Mar]

Margarito should have never even been able to get the chance to redeem himself in the first place....they should have let pac go back in the locker room after the 6th and load his gloves with that same "harmless" pad and finish the fight with them. He deserved that legal ass kicking. Pac eased up on him. I don't remember him doing the same for cotto. I know i know, tony didn't know about the wraps and there are prisons full of guys who didn't do shit either, go ask em all thier cases were someone else's fault too

[No Contest]

I believe Margarito is dumb enough to not know if someone wrapped his hands with illegal pads. I wonder if Kermit Cintron is starting to wonder if he could redeem himself. Cotto and Cintron are both viable rematchs for Margarito.

[Master]

I think Marg wanted to take a beating to redeem himself to the public.

[Youngblood]

I think Marg wanted to take a beating to redeem himself to the public.

if that was the case, he got it half right.

[:::PSL:::]

I think Marg wanted to take a beating to redeem himself to the public.

He thought it was holy friday in the Philippines. Get tortured so he can wash away his sins like these ex-cons.