Pac, Margo, Cotto, Handwraps...

[JonesJrMayweather]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

Actually that's more appropriate for you and Cotto. Because I, for years on this forum always said Marg was never that good. Even before he broke your heart. Back when he was the "PBF dominator" and Floyd was ducking him. I was the first person to make a post about how he was an overrated contender with 5 losses and would be torn to shreds by the elites. So I don't care. Him whooping Cotto's ass means nothing to me, him getting beat by Pac means nothing to me. In fact I've only actually cared about two of his fights. SMM and PW, both of which he lost.

So now that he's crushed Cotto along with guys like you hearts by trying to cheat. You want to play bitter ex-girlfriend and cry "it was all a lie, you never loved us"...please. I'm only trying to offer objective view of the hand wrap thing dealing only with the facts laid out. Yeah we could make a case for or against anyone if we pull on something. Say you think pac is a cheater which is why he won't face floyd. Well you'd have a strong case if you point out that no one in history has moved up so much weight and dominates the larger fighters worse than he did the smaller ones. I mean yeah its okay for his speed to carry up, but the power too? I that high? One would have a real good case.

But that's dumb and irrelevant because unless he's caught what's the point in making accusations?

again..i picked Margarito to beat Cotto, but there's no doubt in my mind that the fucker cheated, his punches looked completely weak in the last 3 fights, THE ONLY FIGHTS that we know without a shadow of a doubt that he didn't wear loaded gloves, one shot rattled a former straw weight, and then he didn't do anything else despite landing a couple clean shots upstairs, explain to me then how is it that Clottey who isn't known as a hard hitter, landed less on Pacquiao and yet marked Manny a hell of a lot more than Margarito who landed flush upstairs a lot more frequently, you try and pull a little milmascaras bullshit by throwing in Cotto's name as if that's even part of the issue, it could have been Golden fucking Johnson and if there was any reason to believe he cheated in that fight i'd be saying the same damned thing, he has now TWICE been accused of cheating once with wraps and now we'll see if he tried to get a little help like Vargas did against DLH, like i said the NSAC never found any evidence that Mosley cheated EVEN THOUGH HE HIMSELF ADMITTED TO TAKING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES!, it's Vegas and i wouldn't be shocked if in both cases (Cotto and Mosley) Margarito and/or Cepetillo slipped the guy who was supposed to inspect the wraps a bit to look the other way, wouldn't be the first or last time in boxing

Explain how's its okay that Margarito blows through Golden Johnson in one round without cheating using only his nonpuching ability, but then all of sudden needs to cheat to beat Cotto? Meaning either he does have enough punching power to do damage, or doesn't. How can he hit hard enough without cheating to stop Johnson in one round? Then totally not have enough pop to hurt cotto as he did with out cheating?

Hell shane mosely didn't even stop Johnson in one round.

are you seriously trying to compare Cotto to fucking Golden Johnson? and so what if Mosley took 7 rounds to stop him, he beat Johnson 8 yrs before Margarito did when he only had one loss, by some dude named Pedro Calderon who stopped him in 2 does that mean he had better power than Mosley as well? Vivian Harris stopped him in 3, guess that means he shit all over Mosley's power as well

and if i recall correctly Cotto took Mosley's best shot and won the fight, unlike Tony did against an older version of Shane, Cotto had only been dropped once in his career going into his fight with Margarito, he had been rocked yes, but he had no china chin, he was no Amir Khan or Golden Johnson, only guys who had hurt Cotto had good power (Corley, Torres, and Judah)

That's not entirely accurate. Mosely didn't land as Cleanly on Cotto as he did on Margarito. You could do a whole highlight video on the clean punches Mosley landed on Margarito. Shane landed on Cotto, but he was also running the last four or five rounds.

No I wasn't comparing Johnson to Cotto, I was asking

Does Margarito have enough punching power combined with his high output to hurt someone or not?

Also did Manny cheat against Cotto?

[El Kabong]

Why even bring up Pacquiao and loaded wraps? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but Manny hasn't been caught trying to load his gloves but Margarito and his trainer have AND they got caught right after the Cotto win ERGO the suspicion surrounding that fight.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Why even bring up Pacquiao and loaded wraps? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but Manny hasn't been caught trying to load his gloves but Margarito and his trainer have AND they got caught right after the Cotto win ERGO the suspicion surrounding that fight.

So until someone is actually caught attempting to cheat then they are otherwise legit?

[El Kabong]

No but I think once you get caught people are free to question the rest of your career.

[JonesJrMayweather]

No but I think once you get caught people are free to question the rest of your career.

Yeah i get that.

[Onix]

No but I think once you get caught people are free to question the rest of your career.

I have to agree with you there.

[Onix]

What's funny is that Cotto did submit that photo which only helped the commission decide tht Maragarito WAS CLEAR from cheating against him. Perhaps because what fool would walk around a ring with about 50 people, shaking hands, if they were hard as cement? Esp knowing that Resto was caught in the ring because he was too stupid not to allow someone to grab his glove.

How stupid must cotto and his camp be that they shook margarito's hand with that wrap on and didnt know right then that it felt like a brick? Maybe because it wasn't. Miguel changing his story about the wraps was an Arum strategy to build a rematch because no one would want to watch Margarito do the same thing to him again, who would buy that?

how stupid must one guy be to joke around by having a slab of concrete put on his fists on camera when he was just suspended for loading up his gloves, i dunno bout you, but if i was honestly innocent and trying to CLEAN UP MY IMAGE, the last thing i'd do is turn the scandal into a joke

So do you believe Tyson actually raped washington, because he has joked about that on several occasions. Perhaps Marg thinks its as laughable as a lot of people that Cotto is a fucking sore loser and could take his asswhooping like a champ so he makes fun of it. Also maybe he doesn't care about cleaning up his image because he feel it doesn't need to be cleaned due to the fact that he never actually cheated.

Do hear the echo? He was cleared...cleared.cleared. Of any wrong doing, with the commission looking at the tapes and the same photos posted on here.

so was Mosley with the whole Balco scandal so that means that didn't happen either right?!? oh and there's a nifty little video of him (Mosley) admitting he knew what he took on youtube, look it up, don't believe everything they force feed you, and as for sore losers, wasn't it Jones Jr who cried foul trying to capitalize on the Margarito scandal once Green knocked him the fuck out in one round stating he tampered his gloves

Yeah Jones did do that, to keep people interested in a fight with BHOP. If people see that he can no longer even survive a round who would buy a PPV fight featuring that fighter? Don't really see what bringing jones up has to do with anything, he did the same as Cotto tried to keep himself marketable after a defeat.

Shane mosely was cleared of unknowingly taking the substances, but he admitted to taking what he thought were legal substances which turned out to be illegal. No if shane says "i never took them" then that entirely different. What he admitted was yes took some substance from a trainer that he thought was legal and turned out to be illegal. So what's your point?

my point is if Margarito unknowingly had loaded wraps going into his fight with Mosley (which i doubt veeeeeeery much he didn't know) who's to say he "unknowingly" used the wraps in other BIG fights, especially the biggest fight of his career (Cotto)

PS i found you a replacement...


...you can let go of Margarito's dick now

Actually that's more appropriate for you and Cotto. Because I, for years on this forum always said Marg was never that good. Even before he broke your heart. Back when he was the "PBF dominator" and Floyd was ducking him. I was the first person to make a post about how he was an overrated contender with 5 losses and would be torn to shreds by the elites. So I don't care. Him whooping Cotto's ass means nothing to me, him getting beat by Pac means nothing to me. In fact I've only actually cared about two of his fights. SMM and PW, both of which he lost.

So now that he's crushed Cotto along with guys like you hearts by trying to cheat. You want to play bitter ex-girlfriend and cry "it was all a lie, you never loved us"...please. I'm only trying to offer objective view of the hand wrap thing dealing only with the facts laid out. Yeah we could make a case for or against anyone if we pull on something. Say you think pac is a cheater which is why he won't face floyd. Well you'd have a strong case if you point out that no one in history has moved up so much weight and dominates the larger fighters worse than he did the smaller ones. I mean yeah its okay for his speed to carry up, but the power too? I that high? One would have a real good case.

But that's dumb and irrelevant because unless he's caught what's the point in making accusations?

Objective views and Cotto fans dont go hand in hand all the time. I agree with most/all of your posts on the subject