PAC deserve those props IMO

[Hornfinger]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

[:::PSL:::]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You're indenial. Is Yahoo News reliable enough to you? Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports


"The United States Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Friday that the final blood sample taken from Shane Mosley was April 12 and the final one taken from Floyd Mayweather was April 13 as part of their agreement to undergo random, Olympic-style testing prior to their May 1 welterweight boxing match in Las Vegas."

"Mayweather gave blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then May 1 after the fight."

"The news of the date of the final pre-fight blood draw – 18 days before the fight, in Mayweather’s case"

USADA is a corrupt agency.

Just accept it. You're my lil' bitch.

[Majesty]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You're indenial. Is Yahoo News reliable enough to you? Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports


"The United States Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Friday that the final blood sample taken from Shane Mosley was April 12 and the final one taken from Floyd Mayweather was April 13 as part of their agreement to undergo random, Olympic-style testing prior to their May 1 welterweight boxing match in Las Vegas."

"Mayweather gave blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then May 1 after the fight."

"The news of the date of the final pre-fight blood draw – 18 days before the fight, in Mayweather’s case"

USADA is a corrupt agency.

Just accept it. You're my lil' bitch.

Fact is about the USADA.

Is that you cannot demand when you have a cutoff. They decide that, so the fact they testing them both 18 days out from the fight, is irrelevant, because they could have tested him at any point between those 18 days and the fight. That's why the drug test is "random"

So just because they last tested 18 days before the fight doesn't mean they'd do that each time, and it doesn't mean that suddenly you can demand to unrandomize it and say "I'll do it up to the 14 day window" because it doesn't work that way. Yes the last testing was 18 days before the fight but neither Floyd nor Shane knew that would be the last time before the fight, because they had to remain open and therefore would always have to be ready for it. That's not what Pacquiao is asking, he is saying "well they did it 18 days out so i want 14" that changes it because then you "know" you aren't going to be tested. That doesn't make it random. I don't know why he is so insistent on finding a window.

[:::PSL:::]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You're indenial. Is Yahoo News reliable enough to you? Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports


"The United States Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Friday that the final blood sample taken from Shane Mosley was April 12 and the final one taken from Floyd Mayweather was April 13 as part of their agreement to undergo random, Olympic-style testing prior to their May 1 welterweight boxing match in Las Vegas."

"Mayweather gave blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then May 1 after the fight."

"The news of the date of the final pre-fight blood draw – 18 days before the fight, in Mayweather’s case"

USADA is a corrupt agency.

Just accept it. You're my lil' bitch.

Fact is about the USADA.

Is that you cannot demand when you have a cutoff. They decide that, so the fact they testing them both 18 days out from the fight, is irrelevant, because they could have tested him at any point between those 18 days and the fight. That's why the drug test is "random"

So just because they last tested 18 days before the fight doesn't mean they'd do that each time, and it doesn't mean that suddenly you can demand to unrandomize it and say "I'll do it up to the 14 day window" because it doesn't work that way. Yes the last testing was 18 days before the fight but neither Floyd nor Shane knew that would be the last time before the fight, because they had to remain open and therefore would always have to be ready for it. That's not what Pacquiao is asking, he is saying "well they did it 18 days out so i want 14" that changes it because then you "know" you aren't going to be tested. That doesn't make it random. I don't know why he is so insistent on finding a window.

That is one theory.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

So just because they last tested 18 days before the fight doesn't mean they'd do that each time, and it doesn't mean that suddenly you can demand to unrandomize it and say "I'll do it up to the 14 day window" because it doesn't work that way. Yes the last testing was 18 days before the fight but neither Floyd nor Shane knew that would be the last time before the fight, because they had to remain open and therefore would always have to be ready for it. That's not what Pacquiao is asking, he is saying "well they did it 18 days out so i want 14" that changes it because then you "know" you aren't going to be tested. That doesn't make it random. I don't know why he is so insistent on finding a window.[/QUOTE]

That is why I put the blame on the disagreement with the blood testing in the first negotiation equally to both Pacquiao and Mayweather although several posters here placed most of the blame on Manny. If Floyd wanted to clean up the sports of boxing and insisted on a 14 day cut-off during that negotiation, then why did he not insist on that in his fight with Mosley when the later had admitted to past banned substance use?

But that's in the past. Let's just see what happens in the third negotiation. (At least they will be having a trilogy even before they fight, or don't fight.).

[InTheNeutralCorner]

It is a coincidence that I saw this posted in my FB page today and I think it would be appropriate for this thread so I looked it up on youtube. I don't know if this had been posted before so pardon me if it had. Those who are tired of hearing or seeing Pacquiao don't need to watch.

Before anybody starting hurling accusations about 'nuthugging' and 'swarm coming', I am not even going to comment on these and it include Manny's early fights and loses. Just enjoy it for what it is.

Here's the link:

[:::PSL:::]

Good find bro.

[arcanum26]

Thanks, InTheNeutralCorner. Took me down memory lane. Never really thought much about Manny back then specially after his 2nd loss. But boy was I wrong.

[mnmc10]

nice vidclips! those older fights brought back memories of lazy sunday afternoons watching pac fights.

[Hornfinger]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You're indenial. Is Yahoo News reliable enough to you? Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports


"The United States Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Friday that the final blood sample taken from Shane Mosley was April 12 and the final one taken from Floyd Mayweather was April 13 as part of their agreement to undergo random, Olympic-style testing prior to their May 1 welterweight boxing match in Las Vegas."

"Mayweather gave blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then May 1 after the fight."

"The news of the date of the final pre-fight blood draw – 18 days before the fight, in Mayweather’s case"

USADA is a corrupt agency.

Just accept it. You're my lil' bitch.

And I'm looking through that article and I can't find where it says that USADA weren't allowed to take samples after a certain date?

Where in that article does it say there was a contractual stipulation or clause that USADA weren't allowed to take after a certain date?

Just becasue the final test was 18 days before the fight doesn't mean there was a rule that they couldn't have done one closer to the fight.

You're not very good at this are you. Stick the child like name calling. As for being owned? errr no. I don't think you did really.

And where's your evidence of USADA being corrupt?

Terrible terrible attempt. And it apears I'm not the only one that thinks so. Looks like you just got...

[:::PSL:::]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You're indenial. Is Yahoo News reliable enough to you? Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports


"The United States Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Friday that the final blood sample taken from Shane Mosley was April 12 and the final one taken from Floyd Mayweather was April 13 as part of their agreement to undergo random, Olympic-style testing prior to their May 1 welterweight boxing match in Las Vegas."

"Mayweather gave blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then May 1 after the fight."

"The news of the date of the final pre-fight blood draw – 18 days before the fight, in Mayweather’s case"

USADA is a corrupt agency.

Just accept it. You're my lil' bitch.

And I'm looking through that article and I can't find where it says that USADA weren't allowed to take samples after a certain date?

Where in that article does it say there was a contractual stipulation or clause that USADA weren't allowed to take after a certain date?

Just becasue the final test was 18 days before the fight doesn't mean there was a rule that they couldn't have done one closer to the fight.

You're not very good at this are you. Stick the child like name calling. As for being owned? errr no. I don't think you did really.

And where's your evidence of USADA being corrupt?

Terrible terrible attempt. And it apears I'm not the only one that thinks so. Looks like you just got...

Oh my god. Maybe Floyd's sperm is really blurring this guy's vision


USADA has lost credibility is that in the Mayweather-Mosley fight, they stopped testing at 18 days before the fight and up until now these so called "experts" haven't FULLY explained WHY? Or HOW that decision to stop testing at that point is supposed to help ensure that the fighters are clean. Not only does USADA appear to be BIASED, worse it appears to be INCOMPETENT as well. How do we expect to clean up boxing with this kind of organization at the forefront?


They have lost their credibility to the public... no matter what you say. The people around USADA are syndicates and voracious crocodiles, too. The bottom line of their purpose are simply MONEY and PUBLICITY, at the expense of unsuspecting boxers. There’s no wonder why they’ve lost their case against NSAC.


Jeez. Why even bother.

[Hornfinger]

USADA wouldn't have taken part in it and also would have blown the whistle.

USADA | U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Research, Testing & Education

Do yourself a favour and read up. It's interesting stuff. But again you gotta take your head outta the sand.

Pacquiao has more question marks around him than a quiz book, and he does very little to get rid of those question marks. But then why does he need to when his fans follow him so blindly.

Reading that don't make you a steroid expert. They are private agency. Tygart is well known as a scumbag. That's why they've lost their case in the court with their proposed BS. NSAC medical team and others backed Pacquiao up.

Floyd didn't abide by their procedures. Cuz he's so damn aware of danger of them poking his vein days/hours/mins before the fight.

Get to know your shit more dumb dumb.

No it doesn't make me an expert but it makes me more knowledgeable than the people that haven't read through it. And Floyd did follow their proceedures, I don't really see an article written by some unknown person on a random 2 bit boxing site as being a reliable scource.

Back to the child like name calling cuz you don't have anything else to fight your corner with eh? sad.

It's either you're a liar or blind. Maybe both.

Floyd did NOT follow their procedures. He bossed them around. He just used them for show-off purpose. He made them look like puppets in 24/7 show.

No I just don't believe random bullshit internet sites unlike people like you who will believe anything negative about Floyd written by anyone and take it as gospel. If someone on any old forum told you floyd was responsible for 9/11 you'd be banging on about that like its fact. i'm yet to see ANY RELIABLE scource say that floyd ended testing early or refused testing after a certain point.


And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You're indenial. Is Yahoo News reliable enough to you? Mayweather-Mosley test dates revealed - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports


"The United States Anti-Doping Agency confirmed Friday that the final blood sample taken from Shane Mosley was April 12 and the final one taken from Floyd Mayweather was April 13 as part of their agreement to undergo random, Olympic-style testing prior to their May 1 welterweight boxing match in Las Vegas."

"Mayweather gave blood and urine on March 22, April 1, April 13 and then May 1 after the fight."

"The news of the date of the final pre-fight blood draw – 18 days before the fight, in Mayweather’s case"

USADA is a corrupt agency.

Just accept it. You're my lil' bitch.

And I'm looking through that article and I can't find where it says that USADA weren't allowed to take samples after a certain date?

Where in that article does it say there was a contractual stipulation or clause that USADA weren't allowed to take after a certain date?

Just becasue the final test was 18 days before the fight doesn't mean there was a rule that they couldn't have done one closer to the fight.

You're not very good at this are you. Stick the child like name calling. As for being owned? errr no. I don't think you did really.

And where's your evidence of USADA being corrupt?

Terrible terrible attempt. And it apears I'm not the only one that thinks so. Looks like you just got...

Oh my god. Maybe Floyd's sperm is really blurring this guy's vision


USADA has lost credibility is that in the Mayweather-Mosley fight, they stopped testing at 18 days before the fight and up until now these so called "experts" haven't FULLY explained WHY? Or HOW that decision to stop testing at that point is supposed to help ensure that the fighters are clean. Not only does USADA appear to be BIASED, worse it appears to be INCOMPETENT as well. How do we expect to clean up boxing with this kind of organization at the forefront?


They have lost their credibility to the public... no matter what you say. The people around USADA are syndicates and voracious crocodiles, too. The bottom line of their purpose are simply MONEY and PUBLICITY, at the expense of unsuspecting boxers. There’s no wonder why they’ve lost their case against NSAC.


Jeez. Why even bother.

And so it was written by the great god of pacquiao nuthuggers

'Anytime you can't defend Manny and all the question marks surrounding his actions and opponants, go and attack Floyd Mayweather to try and take the heat off or steer the conversation away.'

You shouldn't bother unless of course your trying to make yourself look stupid in which case you're doing a great job. You've dug yourself a hole and are making yourself look dafter by the post.

The two reasons why you don't like USADA is because it doesn't in any way back up your blinkered view of your hero and also they have the power to expose your hero. You've brought up NO EVIDENCE to discredit the organization, apart from heresay from unreliable scources.

you do know they don't test every single day don't you? It's called random because athletes don't know when they are to be tested. So what if the last test was 18 days before the fight. The fighters didn't know that. Prove that they did know. you can't so stop talking uninformed bollox.

Stick to the name calling if I were you.

[BIG H]

Margarito was a Super Middleweight in fight night, so the Catch Weight thing doesn't stack up. Why look at Pac's record on paper and disect it, why not watch the fights and appreciate how good he actually is. I have always said PBF would beat Pac, but now I have it 50/50, I would also have both of them top 15 p4p of all time. You just can't knock what Pac has achieved.

[Hornfinger]

Margarito was a Super Middleweight in fight night, so the Catch Weight thing doesn't stack up. Why look at Pac's record on paper and disect it, why not watch the fights and appreciate how good he actually is. I have always said PBF would beat Pac, but now I have it 50/50, I would also have both of them top 15 p4p of all time. You just can't knock what Pac has achieved.

Of course it stacks up. In fact the amount of weight he put on between weigh in and and fight shows what an unhealthy weight he was when he stepped on the scales.

Have you ever made weight for a sporting contest before? If you have you'd know just how sapping it is.

I agree he looks great in the ring. But I'm telling you know I'd look like an awsome fighter if you put some old, underweight, handicapped, war torn fighter in front of me. You have to take into account what the opponant has been through. If I went and beat up Muhammed Ali now would that make me the greatest?

[Waleed]

The two reasons why you don't like USADA is because it doesn't in any way back up your blinkered view of your hero and also they have the power to expose your hero. You've brought up NO EVIDENCE to discredit the organization, apart from heresay from unreliable scources.

you do know they don't test every single day don't you? It's called random because athletes don't know when they are to be tested. So what if the last test was 18 days before the fight. The fighters didn't know that. Prove that they did know. you can't so stop talking uninformed bollox.

Stick to the name calling if I were you.

Just like your accusations of PED use? from a reliable source like Mayweather Sr.?