Mayweather "...the pac maniacs will crucify you"

[milmascaras1]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

[El Kabong]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Did I say ANYTHING about Pacquiao? I will point out that Floyd didn't fight Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito, could Floyd have beaten them, sure he'd have to be favored to, WOULD he have beaten them? We don't know because they never fought.

[JonesJrMayweather]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Did I say ANYTHING about Pacquiao? I will point out that Floyd didn't fight Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito, could Floyd have beaten them, sure he'd have to be favored to, WOULD he have beaten them? We don't know because they never fought.

Would manny have beaten Casamayor, Raheem, or Campbell? Don't know because he never fought them....etc etc etc

[rjj tszyu]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Did I say ANYTHING about Pacquiao? I will point out that Floyd didn't fight Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito, could Floyd have beaten them, sure he'd have to be favored to, WOULD he have beaten them? We don't know because they never fought.

Would manny have beaten Casamayor, Raheem, or Campbell? Don't know because he never fought them....etc etc etc

I don't think Pac would have beat the version of ODLH that Mayweather did to be fair!

[El Kabong]

jonesjrmayweather you bring up fighters that Manny didn't fight and that's fair, but you can't say he never tested himself. Manny's obviously not got an 0 to protect and people will accuse Floyd of protecting that 0 (whether rightly or wrongly) given the people he has fought and not fought....its just a difference of opinions is all. Had Floyd fought Cotto instead of Hatton and won easy then people would complain about that. Floyd is getting the "Star treatment" from the fans, the fans want to see "The Star" fight the guy they think is dangerous....Pacquiao gets similar treatment from the Floyd fans so it's not like this isn't fair play.

I look at Floyd Mayweather like I saw Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, there are impressive guys out there he could pick off in a heartbeat, but for some reason he's not willing to do it and it's a shame that the boxing fan has to sit back and listen to his excuses OR listen to him slate the opponent he chose, fight them, and then come close to straining himself patting himself on the back for beating a fighter he had previously spent all his time trashing.....I mean Floyd sets himself up to be judged at a higher standard (as a boxer of course) because the fans will say "Well if that guy was so crap, then why the fuck did you waste all our time fighting him in the first place?"...he gets himself in trouble by talking too damn much. Pacquiao doesn't say much, but he is respectful I will say that and maybe people give him too much credit because they think every fighter he's getting in the ring with is the best version of that fighter....Floyd convinces you before the fight even happens that the opponent he's fighting is all washed up or has nothing for him and maybe it's just me, but Floyd markets that really well.

[JonesJrMayweather]

jonesjrmayweather you bring up fighters that Manny didn't fight and that's fair, but you can't say he never tested himself. Manny's obviously not got an 0 to protect and people will accuse Floyd of protecting that 0 (whether rightly or wrongly) given the people he has fought and not fought....its just a difference of opinions is all. Had Floyd fought Cotto instead of Hatton and won easy then people would complain about that. Floyd is getting the "Star treatment" from the fans, the fans want to see "The Star" fight the guy they think is dangerous....Pacquiao gets similar treatment from the Floyd fans so it's not like this isn't fair play.

I look at Floyd Mayweather like I saw Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, there are impressive guys out there he could pick off in a heartbeat, but for some reason he's not willing to do it and it's a shame that the boxing fan has to sit back and listen to his excuses OR listen to him slate the opponent he chose, fight them, and then come close to straining himself patting himself on the back for beating a fighter he had previously spent all his time trashing.....I mean Floyd sets himself up to be judged at a higher standard (as a boxer of course) because the fans will say "Well if that guy was so crap, then why the fuck did you waste all our time fighting him in the first place?"...he gets himself in trouble by talking too damn much. Pacquiao doesn't say much, but he is respectful I will say that and maybe people give him too much credit because they think every fighter he's getting in the ring with is the best version of that fighter....Floyd convinces you before the fight even happens that the opponent he's fighting is all washed up or has nothing for him and maybe it's just me, but Floyd markets that really well.

Don't see how they're are similar at all. RJJ beat the best MW,- BHOP. Beat p4p number 1 or 2...depending on where they had him vs Sweet pea at that time. (toney) Then had 7 of the 8 Belts at LHW. The only people that many will name that RJJ didnt face where the the europeans. And the only reason those fights didnt happen was because of guys not willing to travel. RJJ was recognized as p4p 1 for many years and the odds on favorite in any of the those fights which means that he should have had the leverage in saying he preferred to fight in the states. None of it was as difficult as money splits. Just guys feeling like they didnt want to travel. The guy that had the 8th belt at LHW, DM, he flew to the states to watch RJJ fight Virgil Hill, so when they talked about the fight DM said he wasn't willing to travel. But why was he at the Hill fight? Because he after he saw that body shot, he decided to hide behind that excuse.

Floyd on the other hand has no excuses for never unifying any division. It seems he's in good with WBC his whole career and the only strap he's cared about. I agree he should have beaten Cotto, Margarito, before they even fought each other. He should a faced shane earlier. I don't think there's ever been an excuse for floyd leaving so many names off his resume for whatever reason it is. RJJ fought everyone there was to fight that was willing to fight in the states.

[johnsebastianmiran]

I am not a fan of Floyd's and yes Margarito was way out of line and he got deserved, a good old fashion ass whipping. The fact remains that sticks and stones break bones but we heal and move on. Floyd is a fighter and gets challenged often. He has hand picked opponents unnecessarily and yes words live on long after your ass whipping. Floyd might make a mistake in judgment and he gets his 0 wiped out by what thought was a sure thing. Maybe a proper ass whipping by a legitimate contender would at least color his story as a man willing to fight the best. Old opponents, small champions and washed up opponents is not the way and one more thing Mr. Mayweather the clock is ticking on your abilities so stop bitching and moaning and live up to your name and if you want that middle name Money then pick the phone and say,"Hello Manny, let's do it. Enough with the blood tests and name calling. Visit the square ring that will answer the questions because the fans are waiting. "Get out of the toilet there's a line of others waiting. Signed a true boxing fan.

[miron_lang]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.



yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.

[rjj tszyu]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.



yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.

In hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.

[generalbulldog]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.



yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.

In hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.

If he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.

[:::PSL:::]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.



yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.

In hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.

If he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.

Lol.

I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!

Imo, Floyd wouldn't even dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.

[generalbulldog]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.



yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.

In hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.

If he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.

Lol.

I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!

Imo, Floyd wouldn't dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.

That fight has passed imo. Pac needs to fight the winner of Bradley/Alexander or Berto. I would prefer the winner of Bradley/Alexander because whoever wins that fight is a top 7 or 8 fighter in the game that's also undefeated. I know Roach is saving the winner for Khan, but Manny is his bread and butter in that stable of fighters, Manny's interest should be looked at first not Khan.

[:::PSL:::]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.



yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.

In hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.

If he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.

Lol.

I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!

Imo, Floyd wouldn't dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.

That fight has passed imo. Pac needs to fight the winner of Bradley/Alexander or Berto. I would prefer the winner of Bradley/Alexander because whoever wins that fight is a top 7 or 8 fighter in the game that's also undefeated. I know Roach is saving the winner for Khan, but Manny is his bread and butter in that stable of fighters, Manny's interest should be looked at first not Khan.

That would put Roach on a tough situation. Cuz Khan is supposedly his next star pupil. But you know what. I've had enough with Pacquiao circus fights already. If Pac-May negotiation fails again, I don't mind seeing Manny clean up 140 after he fights Berto.

But what about Khan though?... Should he move up to 147?... Will he be willing to find a new trainer and fight Manny too?... Hmm... I don't know.

[Majesty]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.

That is pretty cool.

If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.

Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.

[JonesJrMayweather]

oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents?

Got this from another Forum.

Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.

That is pretty cool.

If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.

Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.

Meaning ranking or gameness?