So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

[ono]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

[CFH]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

[ono]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Do you buy into stuff like that? I always think Pascal will struggle with someone who constantly opens up on him. Dawson could have had him out of there in the 11th if he'd have been smarter.

I rate Pascal but i see absolutely nothing to suggest he'd get any closer to beating Froch than he did 2 years ago. Only my opinion though mate.

[Gandalf]

Pascal's win over Dawson was very good, but Dawson has only been fighting old men recently himself. Froch meanwhile has beaten Pascal and also a string of other top fighters. I've also come to the conclusion that the Kessler fight could have gone either way. On that basis I would have Froch above Pascal, though both fighters have really proven their mantle over the last 18 months.

[ono]

Pascal's win over Dawson was very good, but Dawson has only been fighting old men recently himself. Froch meanwhile has beaten Pascal and also a string of other top fighters. I've also come to the conclusion that the Kessler fight could have gone either way. On that basis I would have Froch above Pascal, though both fighters have really proven their mantle over the last 18 months.

I think CFH had Froch beating Kessler, as did i I. I'm glad more people are seeing the light. Having said that, i had Dirrell biking his way to a UD against Froch so it's evened itself up.

[CFH]

Pascal's win over Dawson was very good, but Dawson has only been fighting old men recently himself. Froch meanwhile has beaten Pascal and also a string of other top fighters. I've also come to the conclusion that the Kessler fight could have gone either way. On that basis I would have Froch above Pascal, though both fighters have really proven their mantle over the last 18 months.

I think CFH had Froch beating Kessler, as did i I. I'm glad more people are seeing the light. Having said that, i had Dirrell biking his way to a UD against Froch so it's evened itself up.

Yeah, I had Froch winning by a couple of rounds against Kessler. But, like you, I had Dirrell beating him so I feel, if nothing else, his record is accurate.

[CFH]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Do you buy into stuff like that? I always think Pascal will struggle with someone who constantly opens up on him. Dawson could have had him out of there in the 11th if he'd have been smarter.

I rate Pascal but i see absolutely nothing to suggest he'd get any closer to beating Froch than he did 2 years ago. Only my opinion though mate.

I do in Pascal's case. He's said as much himself. They've also trained/sparred together since their fight, so they seem to feel that they learn a lot by beating on each other.

I don't know if he would beat Froch if they fought again, they've both grown as fighters since then, but I'd love to see the fight.

[ono]

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Do you buy into stuff like that? I always think Pascal will struggle with someone who constantly opens up on him. Dawson could have had him out of there in the 11th if he'd have been smarter.

I rate Pascal but i see absolutely nothing to suggest he'd get any closer to beating Froch than he did 2 years ago. Only my opinion though mate.

I do in Pascal's case. He's said as much himself. They've also trained/sparred together since their fight, so they seem to feel that they learn a lot by beating on each other.

I don't know if he would beat Froch if they fought again, they've both grown as fighters since then, but I'd love to see the fight.

Yeah that is true. It was one hell of a fight. I wouldn't mind watching it again.

[Rantcatrat]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

[skel1983]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

Hard one that as Ward beat Kessler and he beat Froch depends how you look at it I think the Pascal win in hindsight is better than the Kessler win as Kessler has never been the outright champ and Pascal is now the man at 175, Kessler has never been p4p top ten.

It is all opinions but fight by fight Froch Resume is much better but the crucial win is Wards v Kessler many thought Kessler was the number 1 when Ward beat him.

[amat]

Who has a better resume Ward or Froch?

On paper it's Froch, but when you watch the fights I think it's pretty clear that Ward is more impressive. Froch has a win over Dirrell but it's not actually a win in my opinion. In fact I thought it was the biggest robbery of last year.

As for my P4P list.

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Bradley
4. Ward
5. Martinez
6. Marquez
7. JML
8. Bute
9. Montiel
10. Froch

That's who I think the best fighters are, I don't rely nearly as much as others on resume. Everything looks the same on paper but to put Froch at 10 is a GIANT GIANT GIANT GIANT step for me and evidence that he has proved me a lot more then just a little bit wrong.